And you thought only Cheney and Haliburton were profiteeering warmongers

[Toad]

Originally posted by Hap
I say it is still so, on balance.  And on balance, those who say otherwise excepting the minority of virtuous people in here, lie.

Real simple... would you have done what Feinstein did if you were in her position?

I wouldn't. Period. It's a clear conflict.

[Hap]

Originally posted by VOR
Hap, assume corruption in every wallet.

I won't because it's false.  Corruption resides in the heart -- so to speak.

To reduce corruption, reduce wallets.

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I'd like to hear more on that one VOR.  Not kidding either.

To believe political promises or party rhetoric or that a certain politician is morally above reproach is naive.

I agree!

The only viable solution is a strict adherence to the constitution and to reduce the number of hands that can get into the cookie jar.

I agree, again.

How we going to do that?   Or are we doomed?

[VOR]

Hap, it's a difficult proposition and will most certainly be met with resistance from the mainline "status quo". No solution is perfect, but I think the most viable option is third party politics. The big two are too far gone to be of any positive use anymore.

[john9001]

the constitution says nothing about political parties , therefore i rule them unconstitutional.

[Hap]

If you were our King John, your ruling would have some weight.

[x0847Marine]

Originally posted by Toad
Just more evidence that there's not a dime's worth of difference between the two.

The Democrooks and the Republicrooks are screwing us all.

Word.

[lazs2]

for them it is more power than money.    It is being in the spotlight.. they are simply frustrated actors and stalins.

lazs

[FiLtH]

All politicians are crooks. How else would they get to where they are? What I hate even more is how old senators have sons, who become senators. They think of themselves as royalty.

[WilldCrd]

The REALLY sad thing is back in the old old days royalty and public leaders were beheaded for alot less corruption.
Times have changed tho, now we sit down in front of our boob tubes and practically BEG for more BS to be shoveled down our pie-holes! its like daytime soap opera's only its all real! matter of fact someone should commision a study to see what effects the daily soap operas have had on us as a society. Would make about as much sense as what the polocrooks spend OUR money on anyways.



Hope i live long enough to see the revolution!!!:furious

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by lazs2
for them it is more power than money.    It is being in the spotlight.. they are simply frustrated actors and stalins.

lazs

Says the man who sees it as morally right to vote for them.

You are a joke.

[Yknurd]

Originally posted by FiLtH
All politicians are crooks. How else would they get to where they are? What I hate even more is how old senators have sons, who become senators. They think of themselves as royalty.

Yeah!  And what about those people who vote these people in and then get all irrate when the person they voted in office does something wrong?  They act like they're all innocent and stuff!!

Yeah.  w3rd.

And what about those people who b*tch about those people who voted someone in office and then think they're innocent when they person voted into office does something wrong?  What about them?

Make the mind boggle.  Or boggles the mind.  It's all so confusing.

[lazs2]

lazer... grow up.

you are a joke not I...  you wish to let the worst of the politicians in.. the ones who will listen to you the least.   You do this to sooth your delicate and undeveloped sense of morality.

I don't think I need a lecture from someone who's whole political philosophy is to get the worst possible president elected so that we can have the bloody revolution that much faster..

If we do have one... do me a favor and stay away from me.... You will just get in the way.  I won't have time to babysit you and listen to your whining and self rightious crap and you will probly get good people killed.

lazs

[Maverick]

If by reducing the wallet, you are referring to less pay or renumeration for the position, it won't work. That only would reduce the number of people able to run for the job based on personal wealth. If you can afford it, you basically buy the job. The decent person who is not wealthy and I mean really wealthy, could not afford to run. That means the jobs would be monopolized by the already powerful well heeled. It's already deep into that situation now.

[VOR]

Mav, I think you were referring to my post so I'll reply.

I don't mean a reduction in pay, I mean a reduction in .gov jobs and more importantly programs across the board. It's not so simple you can sum it up in one sentence and I'm not referring to elected seats. See my sig.

[Maverick]

Originally posted by VOR
Mav, I think you were referring to my post so I'll reply.

I don't mean a reduction in pay, I mean a reduction in .gov jobs and more importantly programs across the board. It's not so simple you can sum it up in one sentence and I'm not referring to elected seats. See my sig.

Yep it was your post I was referring to. Thanks fro clarifying the situation.

My thought on it is similar to some others in that term limits are long overdue. Two terms should be enough, no more lifetime careers like kennedy. It works for the executive branch.

I don't know how you can get a handle on govt. jobs and more importantly, pork, without getting a handle on those that pump the pork into the govt. operations. I really don't have an idea how a politician can be held accountable.

I'd like to see a couple things right away. Pay level held except after a full election approval for a raise by the voters. Congress should not be able to raise their own pay. Secondly they lose the pension. They can deal with social security and will only be concerned to maintain it when it's going to be paying them like it does other folks.