ok, bomber sis.. er, guys. I gotta ask..

[lazs1]

given that I don't like bombers in the game the way that they are used and with the available uses for them...

Why do you not take out the vehicle hanger first thing?   What good is taking out the fighter and bomber hangers first and then wandering off??

I mean even you should be able to see that with the simplistic short list of "tactics" we have in AH that the GV's are the biggest threat... Believe me, all those friendly fighters can take care of any nme ac trying to take of or strafe ack.

With machine guns I can't do diddly against AH GV's.   Hard to imagine that 30-100 .50's rattlin around in an open topped ostie wouldn't make hamburger out of anyone at the gun tho.

Addmitedly I have never understood anything about anyone who buffs in a game where buffs are so badly done but... Why don't you take out the VH first?
lazs

[Urchin]

Hum. when I am flying my b17.. I ONLY target the VH and acks if we are trying to take the base.  If I am trying to inconvienience a team, I'll hit the fuel and ammo, and nothing else.  B17 doesn't carry enough bombs to make a big enough dent in the hangers to matter.

[AKDejaVu]

Lazs.. your frustration pales in comparison to those trying to capture a base.

There is nothing better than hearing "fighter hangars down at 47"... meaning two of the 3.  Just as 5 ostwinds start to spawn.  The next buff over takes out two of the bomber hangars.  I saw this about 10 times in the last 2 days.

It all boils down to a bunch of newbies playing the game.  The names I saw flying the buffs were all rookies.  They just hit the big black buildings first.  The camo vh is just too hard to see.

The furball guys aren't the only ones that wish this would change.

Now... on another note... if you are going to capture a base, it is much safer to take out the FH nearest to the base you are taking (in conjunction with the base you are taking) than it is even to take out the FH at the base you are taking.  Its much easier to vul... er... cap the field you are capturing than to deal with incoming fighters at 12k.

AKDejaVu

[Staga]

Don't like the way ppl are flying their bombers?
Take off with your own bomber then  


btw VHs have been my main targets since first time we tried to capture a field full of halftracks....

[bloom25]

If it's up, I target the VH as my main target if I'm carrying heavy bombs.  Normally when I fly the b26 I only take 250lbers.  These I use to kill the ammo bunkers and acks.  If some are already down, the rest fall on the VH.  The front guns usually then allow you to finish the job.

It's definately true that 1 ostie is worth 5 fighters in the air defending.  Those ostwinds act really funny now.  I have a film of one sitting in a burning BH and I dropped a 500lber and 2 250lbers from a spit.  All hit within the hangar (none hit the ostie directly though) but the ostwind only lost a track and continued to fire.  Only after I had used up 150 rds of HS ammo did it finally lose it's gun.

[Hangtime]

What I miss is a dedicated group of buff drivers... guys that form up; announce their target, and go do the damn job.

That excludes the new folks begging incessantly for 'escort' or 'gunners' (escort per se is a joke... what works is SWEEPS and HIGH CAP) and then proceed to hit the stuff on the field that makes not a whit of diffeence to a capture... and screws the frame rates by making smoke.

Note to newbies: DO NOT up from the field next to the one you are attacking and fly directly to the target. Try comming into the target area from a diffrent direction. You'll live longer.

Field capture prioity list:

VEHICLE HANGER; RADAR; ACKS; FH'S BH'S. In that order. Leave the fuel; ammo; barracks and such ALONE. We NEED that stuff to continue to attack the NEXT field.

If enuff buffs are available; hit the fuels and/or FH's on the adjacent next nearest enemy base in a COORDINATED effort... strikes should be happening on BOTH bases. Tag that radar too.

Target Priority List for a Single B17 w/500's or 1k's.. THE VEHICLE HANGER. Drop 3k. Be DAMN sure this goes down first. THEN EXIT THE AREA TOWARDS FRIENDLIES AND HOLD THE LAST 3K of EGGS FOR WHEN IT REGENS! It will. And it'll happen just as the goon gets there.

Target Priority list for the Med buffs w/ 250's or for a b17 w/250's.. RADAR FIRST! Then hit the acks. Time from the first ack dropped to the last ack dropped should be less than 5 minutes. Ignore other buildings.. keep the smoke to a minimum.

Target priority list for a Lanc.. Take 14 1k eggs and do the FH's. Just the FH's. If u are unsupported by other heavy buffs (no B17 on VH watch) Nail the VH first then the FH's. Remember to use 3 1k's on that VH.. not 2. It sometimes won't drop with just two from a heavy buff.. dunno why. It's a huge waste of heavy bomber power to tag acks with 1k eggs. Any fighter can strafe down an ack.. use that destructive power on the NEXT ADJACENT BASE if the base you flew too is already battered down.

Best possible buff raid in AH right now... 6 b26's. 2 with 250's on radar and acks, 4 with 4ea 1k's on VH and FH's. In less than 3 minutes 6 b26's can turn any med or small field into a wasteland. No long extensions; they can get on and stay on target better than the big guys can. And they can descend for peggin cockroaches with 250's after acks are down...

Gimme 6 b26's and 6 jabo fighters for 2 hours and I'll get 10 fields. Easy.  

Gawd I wish we had the A26a Invader.  

[Fatty]

I am amused by your frustration.  From now on just fighter and bomber hangars for me.

[Citabria]

long live the VH!

and the BH!

you can have the fh

IL2 shall smite you

[Karnak]

When I am in a bomber over an enemy filed my first priority is to kill that @&*#ing Ostwind spawner, e.g. the VH.

I don't know why others don't do the same.

[Thunder]

I agree with Hangtime in his assessement of what currently works the best. Real co-ordinated efforts are difficult task for any country to accomplish but there have been a few I have seen be highly effective. There is a key at the heart of the sim that works but it requires an enormous commitment and is probably behind the two cities change on the strat map.

• First there must be a simultious strike on BOTH cities and reduce the % as low as possible
• Then depending on the strategy hit specifically the (Ammo, Refinery, Radar, Training, Flack factory) and reduce the % as low as possible
• Then with a co-ordinated sweep hit the specific targets at the forward fields (ie Fuel or Barracks) and bring them down!
• This effectively reduces or stops the enemy from taking off with fuel capacity or troops and severly limits there offensive ability and to climb to altitude to defend the next wave of bombers.
• If done right there is about two hours of strong offensive sweep time
• Now the first targets are VH's and AAA then FH's and Blitz through the map

Now that I have said this... this is just a fantasy of mine!  

It seems to be very difficult to get the right mix of players that like bombing, heavy fighter AG attack,naval bombardment,naval fighter AG attack,High Altitude Bombardment and fighter cover for fields and escorts to do this all at one time. And even if there, the numbers required to do this are rarely there.

I beleive that these matters have been carefully thought out and the gameplay designed by HTC to keep one country from being overrun.

Hmmm maybe the real game is between HTC and the players!  
HTC wins if few resets take place.
And we the players win if we can get a reset.

But really we all wins when HTC wins because EVERYONE enjoys the game when they aren't getting overrun and there is a hope of turning the tide!

• I have been playing Online Sims for 11 years now and I am still fighting for territory.
• Not once has the enemy sat down at the table and signed a peace treaty and we had a few years of peace!
• I have never been paid a penny for my service to my country but I have fought to the death countless times!
• I have been wounded, killed and miraculously healed brought back to life by my country only to have to fight again.
• The only consolation I have is I have made TONS OF GOOD FREINDS!!!!

The real reason I keep coming back is it is fun and I really like the enterplay and freindships you make here!

THANKS TO YOU ALL! <S>

Thunder

[Seeker]

Originally posted by Hangtime:
[QB]. Leave the fuel; ammo; barracks and such ALONE. We NEED that stuff to continue to attack the NEXT field.

<sniped lots of good stuff>

I strongly disagree with this statement. It's the leading cause of whining about carbombers.....

[LePaul]

Nice posts.

But you see:

1.  I seldom have excorts

2.  I seldom have JABOs

3.  I always target the Vehicle Hangar first

4.  Fighter Hangars are always my 2nd priority.

5.  I love how many generals tell me what to hit while they won't give me a Check Six or get the parade of cons off my tail. <shrug>  It happens.

Bufsquealing is fun.  (And more so with beer.)  hehe  I also like softening up a field for my teamates, and I've been known to get bored and squish the HQs  

[pdog_109]

You know whats even more fun and sneaky?
Find an airfield near the front and thats on the shore. Bomb all the ack.
Go back with a PT boat sit there with engine off and wait for fighters or bombers to take off. I have gotten away with this until somebdoy comes at me with rockets and bombs but by then i turn engine on and get moving

[Booky]

I look at the field and its size to determine what I target. I always kill VH with my 4k bomb on first pass(I usually fly the Lanc for field missions). The what I do with my 18 500's all depends on how many FH'sthe base has. If there are 3 FH's then I kill all 3 and then kill 3 ammo bunkers, to try and stop the carbombers. If there a 4 or more FH's then I kill all the acks and the AMMO and radar. That usually makes for all my bombs.

Only new bomber pilots will not hit the VH on first pass, and thats because they just don't know any better yet.

[lazs1]

Ok.. so everyone hits the VH first.   I guess I am not seeing what i am seeing.

fatty... if you want to fly buffs just to frustrate me then i am flattered and amused.  Your boredom will keep me amused.  I will send you two pictures of myself.  One, a large one suitable for framing and placing on your monitor so that you can think of me while you are playing and one smaller wallet size so that you can think about me while you are not playing AH.
lazs

[ 07-08-2001: Message edited by: lazs1 ]