Round 3 Begins

[humble]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
The Yak-3 was lighter and more maneuverable than the Yak-9 and used the same engine as the Yak-9.  Below 16,000ft, the Yak-3 outclassed any LW fighter.


ack-ack

the Yak-3 (production model) had the VK-105-2 {1290hp}. The Yak-9U had the VK-107A {1500 hp}. However the wingloading on the Yak-3 is marginally better (I thought it was the other way around) and it has a better initial rate of climb by a good 300ft/min+.

No question it's lighter and rolls better....I had wingloading flip flopped....basically the yak3 shades the 9 by close 1.5 lbs/sqf. So its got to be a bit better turner....curious by how much. That would seem to be an interesting match up. The 9 has speed and zoom and the yak-3 has sustained climb, roll and at least a bit better sustained turn.

Be curious to see which one "wins out" among the yak affectionado's...

[TwinBoom]

Same. If the Yak is dropped then I ill just forfeit as the remaining aircraft are all equally unpalatable

[storch]

the yak 3 is highly underrated and is arguably the very best under 20,000 feet piston engined fighter to see service in WWII.  it is a monster.  it's also russian,  I eschew all things russian, even in cartoonland.

[BlauK]

I wonder if anyone else is considering the vote from the perspective of getting a new opponent to shoot down.. instead of getting a new plane to fly in?

After the first round my decisions have been based on getting new targets
Yup... I'll vote for P-39.

[TinmanX]

Originally posted by duh
I don't think we have enough american planes....

This is a joke right?

US - 18 planes
Germany - 16 planes
Britain - 13 planes
Japan - 5 planes
Russia - 4 planes
Italy - 2 planes

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Joachim
Same. If the Yak is dropped then I ill just forfeit as the remaining aircraft are all equally unpalatable.

B-25 is at least an Alliad bomber the Bf109E, Bf110 and A6M2 can catch.

[Edbert]

Originally posted by Wurger
Agreed, I was just thinking the same thing.  All the remaining choices will be hanger queens after the first few weeks anyway.  

Time to get the HT rigged the vote in favor of what they wanted to build anyway thread going!

If that were the case the Yak3 would win, it is "almost finished" with the current yak model.

The 410 would have been a modeling nightmare, particularly the sighting of the barbettes.

[Kev367th]

Always thought it was strange that two often requested aircraft weren't even included at the get go -

Beaufighter
Meteor

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Kev367th
Always thought it was strange that two often requested aircraft weren't even included at the get go -

Beaufighter
Meteor

Wouldn't matter.

The plane is going to be American unless no significant American combat plane is on the list.

[moot]

Originally posted by Karnak
B-25 is at least an Alliad bomber the Bf109E, Bf110 and A6M2 can catch.

Which means barely anyone will use it..
This was never going to be a "fair" vote.. there's no accounting for how little time some of the voting players play.
This was a vote for player favorites that would otherwise never be a priority.

If only Pyro could say whether the A26 and/or B25 were getting a 75mm...  as it is, the B25 is going to be a very boring bird, the P39 a siamese cousin to the Yak9T, and the Yak3 probably another ultra light and flickable Spit16 sort of fighter...
It's kind of ironic to get to vote for some things that may not turn out to be what you intended to vote for.

I'd definitely not vote B25; it has no novelty compared to the other three.  The historical gaps will be filled when HTC chooses the planes.

I'd say the Brewster really ought to be in the next official planes addition.
If the Yak3 is chosen, it would be great if HTC also did a quick Yak9UT and Yak9D or M; if those are respectively just a 9U with the T's hub 37mm, and the 9T with the 37mm replaced with standard guns.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by storch
the yak 3 is highly underrated and is arguably the very best under 20,000 feet piston engined fighter to see service in WWII.  it is a monster.  it's also russian,  I eschew all things russian, even in cartoonland.

I wouldn't worry about it... The performance figures I've seen indicate that the Spitfire MK.VIII will kick its butt all over the arena.

Besides, the Yak will not make the voting cut.

My regards,

Widewing

[straffo]

Originally posted by humble
the Yak-3 (production model) had the VK-105-2 {1290hp}. The Yak-9U had the VK-107A {1500 hp}. However the wingloading on the Yak-3 is marginally better (I thought it was the other way around) and it has a better initial rate of climb by a good 300ft/min+.

No question it's lighter and rolls better....I had wingloading flip flopped....basically the yak3 shades the 9 by close 1.5 lbs/sqf. So its got to be a bit better turner....curious by how much. That would seem to be an interesting match up. The 9 has speed and zoom and the yak-3 has sustained climb, roll and at least a bit better sustained turn.

Be curious to see which one "wins out" among the yak affectionado's...

For your last question being a Yak addict I'll say both
But we still need a 1b.

Don't quote me on this but if my memory don't betray me turn time is about 20 sec for the yak9 and about 18 yak3

[john9001]

perk the yak3

[Karnak]

It is the performance of the VK-107 Yak-3 that people lust after.  That one is post war.

The VK-105 Yak-3 that we'd get is nice, but as Widewing says, not that special.

[Mister Fork]

Hmmm...

P-39
A-26
B-25
Yak-3


If I had to pick one, I would pick the P-39.  While I appreciate the communities affection for Toad's dad (pretty cool if you ask me), we need to ask ourselves what is best for this product since Pyro has basically put it up to the community.

I'm picking the P-39 because it fits so nicely into the MA/AvA/SEA as a historical fighter for the USA/Soviet Union yet can also hold its own in the MA in the hands of a skilled pilot.