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Offline frosty

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What model will it be, HTC?
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2007, 05:01:45 PM »
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Make it the ones they used on the Doolittle Raid...No Guns.:t


Warning:
Not particularly effective against an Me- 262...

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Re: Re: interesting blurb on B-25
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2007, 05:07:38 PM »
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I would really need to see some MAJOR documentation to back that up.  Right now I file it in the same category as the N1K2-J squad that shot down 12 Hellcats for no loss, e.g. fiction.


FYI, so far as I know the most combat sorties completed by any airframe in WWII was 217 by a Mosquito B.Mk IV.


I've only seen it on Wiki and another site.   I would concur and like to see Documentation of this.
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Offline Warspawn

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« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2007, 06:12:00 PM »
Yay for the H model!!




Yummy; 75mm under the quad .50's in the nose, then 6 more in blisters and the top turret for a total of 10...

"The 75mm gun was the lighter T13E1 which had been designed specifically for the B-25H.  It also mounted four fixed forward-firing .50-calibre machine guns in the nose, four more fixed ones in forward-firing "blister" mounts on the fuselage sides, two more in the top turret, one each in a pair of new waist positions, and a final two in a new tail gunner's position.  Company promotional material bragged that the B-25H could "bring to bear ten machine guns coming and four going, in addition to the 75mm cannon, a brace of eight rockets and 3000 pounds of bombs."  Fourteen hundred B-25Gs and B-25Hs were built.  The 75mm cannon fired at a muzzle velocity of 2,362 fps, about 720 m/s.  Due to its low rate of fire approximately four shells could be fired in a single strafing run..."
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« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2007, 06:27:45 PM »
lol let it go off the CV so i can collect the proxys as they hit the water...or if the make i'll swoop in on them as they shoot at me with broomsticks:rolleyes: :t
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« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2007, 08:05:30 PM »
ya, i really hope its the H they give us, i only voted for the 25 because of that and doolittles raid. is it possible to fly this in formation? imagine 3 75mm at ur disposal?
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Re: Re: interesting blurb on B-25
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2007, 10:18:31 PM »
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I would really need to see some MAJOR documentation to back that up.  Right now I file it in the same category as the N1K2-J squad that shot down 12 Hellcats for no loss, e.g. fiction.


According to my source (Gunston) it was 14 Hellcats lost and it was one of the first Ki-100 squadrons over Okinawa that did it in 1945, without a loss to themselves. I am no authority on expert documentation of WWII aviation history, but apparently Bill Gunston qualifies.

Still, "urban myth" type stories get repeated by those who should know better, and this may be one such myth about WWII (but why would Americans spread such a story?). Anyway it should be easy enough to check out for anyone who is interested.
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« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2007, 10:49:05 PM »
Well, given our great capability at producing airframes, that aircraft would ahve been used as spare parts long, long before it got to a condition where it had to "crab through the air" in order to fly a straight course and was so shot up it's skin's structural integrity (remember, in stressed skin aircraft the skin is a crucial part of the aircraft's strength) was that comprimzed.


Yes, it was Ki-100s.  There is also an N1K2-J story.  I think it was the one versus a squad of Hellcats in which 4 Hellcats were downed and the N1K2-J survived.  Both the Ki-100 and N1K2-J stories are demonstratably falsified by US loss records.
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« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2007, 11:00:09 PM »
I'm SURE I'd seen a photo of Patches somewhere, but I can't find it now. :(
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Re: Re: interesting blurb on B-25
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2007, 11:31:13 PM »
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Originally posted by Karnak
I would really need to see some MAJOR documentation to back that up.  Right now I file it in the same category as the N1K2-J squad that shot down 12 Hellcats for no loss, e.g. fiction.


FYI, so far as I know the most combat sorties completed by any airframe in WWII was 217 by a Mosquito B.Mk IV.


Close -

Was GB*F for Freddie Ser No. LR503

Built early 1953 it was a B IX not B IV.

Flew 213 (most of any allied aircraft in WW2) operational missions.

Crashed in Calgary May 10 1945.

Curiously - The Smithsonian Institute used to claim it's B-26B "Flak Bait" flew the most operational missions.
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Re: Re: Re: interesting blurb on B-25
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2007, 02:04:31 AM »
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Built early 1953 it was a B IX not B IV.
 


:huh :confused:

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« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2007, 02:10:33 AM »
There will be no do-little raids unless you land on the cv to rearm.
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« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2007, 02:15:33 AM »
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There will be no do-little raids unless you land on the cv to rearm.


There will be plenty of dolittle raids...  because it will be a hangar queen which doesnt carry much ord!

Dolittle - do little, get it? har har!

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« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2007, 06:48:38 AM »
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I'm here all week.



That's the most annoying part.
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« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2007, 07:39:45 AM »
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Well, given our great capability at producing airframes, that aircraft would ahve been used as spare parts long, long before it got to a condition where it had to "crab through the air" in order to fly a straight course and was so shot up it's skin's structural integrity (remember, in stressed skin aircraft the skin is a crucial part of the aircraft's strength) was that comprimzed.


Yes, it was Ki-100s.  There is also an N1K2-J story.  I think it was the one versus a squad of Hellcats in which 4 Hellcats were downed and the N1K2-J survived.  Both the Ki-100 and N1K2-J stories are demonstratably falsified by US loss records.


     The 5th AF was at the back end of the supply chain...playing 2nd or 3rd
fiddle to the European and Med theaters as regards resupply.  It wouldn't
be all that far out of line for a flyable aircraft to continue to be used even
if not perfect.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: interesting blurb on B-25
« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2007, 10:03:11 AM »
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:huh :confused:

:D


Eek should be 1943 of course :)
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