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Offline BaldEagl

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« on: April 14, 2007, 12:35:33 PM »
Some of you guys know way too much about this stuff.

Not that I'm complaining, I find it very informative... just saying.
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Offline Hornet33

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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2007, 12:41:34 PM »
Whatcha talkin about Willis????????



If I hadn't joined the military at 17 and decided to make a carear out of it, I probably would have been a history teacher. I love this stuff.

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Offline mtnman

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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2007, 02:49:44 PM »
"Those that don't study history are doomed to repeat it."

My take on this is that we're actually all doomed to repeat it.  Whether history is studied or not, the masses will do as they please.  The only real difference is that those of us who study history will know that we are repeating it.  We'll still be dragged along by the actions of the masses.

Regardless of what the history books tell us, I believe the masses will act in ways that are convenient, and if history warns against those actions, the thought will go through their minds that surely that historical lesson "can't actually apply to me or my situation".  If they even give pause to consider the history lessons, or care...

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Offline Serenity

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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2007, 11:59:45 PM »
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
Some of you guys know way too much about this stuff.

Not that I'm complaining, I find it very informative... just saying.


I wish I did! God, im proved wrong so often... lol. Im studying just to catch up! (Thanks to Guppy for the study books! The 303rd's book is really like a novel! Good read for you guys out there trying to learn ;))

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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2007, 01:03:55 PM »
mtnman, what about the influence of strong individuals on the masses?  The most powerful propagandists are the ones who convince their targets that they're not being propagandized at all.  

Do the masses wander in their own collective direction, or are they herded?
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Offline mtnman

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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2007, 02:26:10 PM »
I don't want to steer this thread too far off base, but I guess it was a pretty vague topic anyway...

I agree on your assessment of propaganda.  I would even go so far as to say that it's pretty rough to propagandize folks who know they are being targeted.   Knowing they are targeted breeds distrust and anger, which are not good emotions to foster if you want to be the leader, and have people follow your goals.

As far as the effect of strong individuals on the masses- good point.  But I have to say I feel the masses are responsible for the creation, nurturing, and overall effect of the strong individual.  Show me an example of an individual who wasn't effected by the masses.  The masses choose which individual to follow.  The masses even elect thier leaders, or choose to follow thier dictators, at least to some extent.  

The masses aren't all that likely to follow or elect leaders who don't share common viewpoints.  Or who want to change things against the wishes of the masses.  For that matter, it's not all that likely for the masses to create an individual who has goals/ideas that are way off track of where the masses are headed anyway.

In a general sense, I think humans will continue to use/abuse resources for a short-term advantage.  Some thought may go into the end result of this abuse, some guilt may even be felt.  But in the end, profit and convenience win out.  People will continue to view key things about their spiritual beliefs differently.  They'll get along for a while, but there will be chaffing.  At some point the chaffing becomes unbearable, and turns to shoving.  This is especially true if key resources run low.  The shoving turns to fighting.  Somebody wins, and explains how wrong the loser was.  Everybody is happy again, and folks can get back to using and abusing resources again.  And forming different opinions again...

Negative attitude?  Sure, maybe.  But definately a common historic/prehistoric trend.  Jealousy over who has more or better bananas.  Arguments over who is following the correct religious deity.  Blaming the other folks diety or refusal to follow your chosen diety on your lack of numerous, high quality bananas.  The willingness to back your beliefs with force if necessary...

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Offline Whisky58

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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2007, 03:38:58 PM »
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Those that don't study history are doomed to repeat it.


Sadly history illustrates over & over that many of the more unpleasant aspects of human behaviour do repeat themselves.  We patronise our forebears because of technological advances; there is a delusion that they were simple and unworldly-wise, thus we will never make the same mistakes as they did.

BTW - to get back on thread, I agree with Baldeagl, some of you guys must have forgotten more than I'll ever know about WW2 aviation history.  However, it's great to be able to dip into a dynamic & (mostly) informed resource.
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