In terms of pure loadout, which fighter has best armament?

[frank3]

I'm amazed the P-47 hasn't been mentioned a dozen times yet!

It's 8 x .50 mg's are just sheer terror!
Undoubtly one of the heaviest armement for a real fighter (not one of those twin-engined pansies )

[whiteman]

Originally posted by Blooz
Can't go wrong with eight .50 cal guns.

3400 rounds of pure love.

P47

my favorite

[Karnak]

Originally posted by frank3
I'm amazed the P-47 hasn't been mentioned a dozen times yet!

It's 8 x .50 mg's are just sheer terror!
Undoubtly one of the heaviest armement for a real fighter (not one of those twin-engined pansies )

By the US Navy's reckoning, the Spitfire Mk XIV and Mk XVI have the same firepower as the P-47.  One Hispano Mk II was judged to be equal to three Browning .50 caliber machine guns.  Those two Spitfires have two such cannon and two such machine guns.  Obviously that means that the Typhoon, Tempest and F4U-1C have more firepower and the P-38 just slightly less.

Heck, the N1K2-J and Fw190A-8 have more firepower and they don't rely on Hispanos at all.

[mentalguy]

Originally posted by Wobblin-Goblin

I really like having guns that'll pound enemy aircraft

"It's not the size mate, it's how ya use it."


8 .303 are just as deadly as 2 30mm when it comes to airplanes. Strafing is a different story.

[Knegel]

Originally posted by SAS_KID
Psssh roll rate it only works if people don't aim for the cockpit.

Plus when people do the little super snap roll o overshoot. Problem with doing is this. 1 when you do it you bleed off energy and control plus all I have to do is aim at the axis point of which you are spinning and pour fire from th best plane in the game P40B.  2. If I do oveshoot I only have to go up and your mine second time around.

P40B's uber guns that just cut through planes like butter. Enough ammo for about 9 kills. Faster than that running LA7, can turn better than a zeke, and can climb better than a spitxteen off the runway while you go by at 500mph and die. In addition, to being able to outdive jugs. Oh did I mention the fligth time lasts longer than a lancaster going to the moon?

Roll rate is great in a combination with smal turns. A simple roll dont help anyone, of course.  And you dont need to bleed off energy to let someone overshoot, you only need to roll much faster to start the turn more early. To follow you, the enemy have to turn much harder(cause he start later) and while he follow you you roll 180° and turn to the oposide direction(now he need even longer to follow ur turn). After two of this troll/turns, the oponent overshoot or did bleed so much energy(due to the harder turn), that you can shoot him down or you have enough speed advantage to gain distance.
Only vs F4U´s and Sp16´s the 190A8 have problems, cause they roll also rather good and they dont seems to bleed energy while turning.

Btw, the 2 x 20mm of the 109´s also have a good punch and its a good mix between center and wing mounted guns.

Greetings,

Knegel

[Wobblin-Goblin]

Being a novice HTC pilot, I've found myself looking for something, anything, that will help put me on a level playing field with the more experienced fliers. After reading a couple threads, this one included, I tried the Ki-84. That's not a half-bad fighter and one that gave me confidence when approaching any fight. The armament isn't quite up to what I'm used to, but flying it is a dream. It turns pretty darn easily and efficiently and its speed is respectable.

[Kev367th]

Hispano V's on the Tempest, best guns in the game.

Higher rate of fire than the Hispano I and II fitted to Spits and Tiffys, and more rounds per gun.

[Krusty]

3 .303cal are about as powerful as 1 50cal. They also lose power at much closer ranges.

1 hurricane Mk.I with 8x 30cal is only about as powerful as the C202 with 2x50cals in the nose.

20mm guns are about 3x as powerful as 50cal. 30mm are probably 2x or 3x as powerful as 20mm (1 hit anywhere is a kill).

So saying 8x .303 in the hurricane is as effective as 2x30mm is a big mis-statement.

To equal 1 30mm gun, you'd need 18 to 28 .303 guns, depending on whether the 30mm is 2x or 3x as powerful as the average 20mm and they wouldn't have half the effective range of the 30mm either.



Karnak: The navy may have thought that, but I never got 8x bomber kills in a row (with ammo left to spare) in a spitfire! I have in a P-47D, though

[Gianlupo]

Originally posted by Wobblin-Goblin
I tried the Ki-84. That's not a half-bad fighter and one that gave me confidence when approaching any fight. The armament isn't quite up to what I'm used to, but flying it is a dream. It turns pretty darn easily and efficiently and its speed is respectable.

Good choice. That plane is simply wonderful. When you'll learn to fly it, you'll hardly fly anything else for fighter missions!

[Angus]

Originally posted by Krusty
3 .303cal are about as powerful as 1 50cal. They also lose power at much closer ranges.

1 hurricane Mk.I with 8x 30cal is only about as powerful as the C202 with 2x50cals in the nose.

20mm guns are about 3x as powerful as 50cal. 30mm are probably 2x or 3x as powerful as 20mm (1 hit anywhere is a kill).

So saying 8x .303 in the hurricane is as effective as 2x30mm is a big mis-statement.

To equal 1 30mm gun, you'd need 18 to 28 .303 guns, depending on whether the 30mm is 2x or 3x as powerful as the average 20mm and they wouldn't have half the effective range of the 30mm either.



Karnak: The navy may have thought that, but I never got 8x bomber kills in a row (with ammo left to spare) in a spitfire! I have in a P-47D, though

I got 4 kills in one HurryI sortie this morning, using only half of the ammo
As for the P47 and Spit comparison, it's tough on the firepower, but doesn't the P47 have a longer firing time. It does however IMHO counter the destruction power of the Tempest...

[Krusty]

I got 6 kills and several assists in a hurr1 once, got vulched landing, though (by puffy fleet ack, no less, some lamebrain was purposefully vulching using it). You can still get kills, but I've also landed 8 kills in a 109k-4 a few times, and several of those were b17s and b26s, which the hurricane1 could never have done.

[Karnak]

I've landed 8 kill sorties in the Mosquito on more than one occasion.  I don't really feel the P-47 has anything over it guns wise.

[Krusty]

Probably true, but the performance of the p47 means it's more likely to get in get kills and get out, whereas anybody sneezes at the mossie and you get a pilot wound or a fireball (or both!)

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Krusty
Probably true, but the performance of the p47 means it's more likely to get in get kills and get out, whereas anybody sneezes at the mossie and you get a pilot wound or a fireball (or both!)

Which is upsetting as it was regarded with affection for being a tough aircraft that would get you home, like the P-47.

[Bruv119]

Kev your a fountain of knowledge

wasn't the tempest able to carry a total of 200 rounds per gun making it a total of 800 rounds?

I know in another game they changed the total from 600 to 800 to meet the historical accuracy.   It made one Tempest pilot very happy


Bruv
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