What model is our typhie?

[Laurie]

what modle of the hawker typhoon do we use in AH?

starting my first skin and looking for accurate resources

is it the Typhoon IB with 'bubble' cockpit?

[Kermit de frog]

I've always been under the impression that it is the 1b with the bubble canopy.

1a had 8 .303
1b had teh 4 20mm

A caged frame with a door used to be used with the 1b as well.  I'm glad we have the 1b with the bubble canopy.

This info is from memory based on research I did for 3d modeling of a typhy about 2 years ago.

[Kweassa]

Our Typh is a '44 bird.

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by Kweassa
Our Typh is a '44 bird.

In a thread a while ago it was decided that much like the old Spit IX it was a hybrid.
i.e. It never existed.

Boost put it in 1943, prop put in 1944, make your own choice.

Will hopefully get fixed when it's eventually remodelled.

[straffo]

Mark Ib 44 , it's not really an hybrid ,just the propeller is different.

[Laurie]

The possibility of it being remodeled is making me usnure wether to do typhie skin or not:rolleyes:

does anyone have any goos sites for PICS.

using RAF squadron database for basic layers the but the shades of green looks a bit 'suspect' as it is just a didgital sketch.

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by straffo
Mark Ib 44 , it's not really an hybrid ,just the propeller is different.

Mk 1B - 1942
4 bladed prop - late 43 (only shortened take-off run)
bubble canopy - late 43

Problems comes with the boost, which is suspect.

Not even sure if ours is a Sabre IIa, IIb or IIc.

Rockets and eggs from fall 1943.

So take your choice -
1943 if a bubble canopy, a 4 bladed prop count, and ord capacity count as performance changes.

1942 if they don't.

Seen the argument used for the 109 with the extra stuff (armour plating etc), that as it didn't increase performance it should be slotted in at its earlier introduction date. (which i believed happened in the AVA)

Same argument over the old Spit IX - Some classed it as mid 44 because of 50-cals, even though performance was strictly based on 1942 F IX.

Edit - Dug out a few things -
July 1943 -  +7 boost 1 hour, +9 boost 5 mins

Now tell me its a 1944 Tiffy?

[straffo]

Originally posted by Kev367th


Now tell me its a 1944 Tiffy?

I'm perhaps wrong there was a consensus when the Typhoon was 1st introduced (frankly I'm too tired to dig in my doc this evening)

[Kev367th]

Doesn't surprise me.

Shows +9 / +7 boost July 1943.

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/typhoon/typhoontest.html

 The climb rating of the Sabre II has recently been increased and a combat rating introduced. Climb performance and cooling tests at the new climb rating were given in the 35th Part of this Report. Tests at combat rating have now been made and form the subject of this Report.

Not is going to be, but has been increased, report is dated July 31 1943.

Bubble canopy - Late 43
4 bladed prop - late 1943
Ord - fall 1943

No way is it a 1944 Tiff.

[straffo]

Quickly just before I run out to work

According to the serial on the default skin (PD521) it's a typhoon of the 6 batch using a Sabre IIA or a Sabre IIB (more likely a IIA as it changed for the IIB at the end of the batch

This batch delivered between June 1944 and January 1945.

[Kev367th]

Lol, so if a plane had a serial number from 1945 yet the configuration/performance was based on 1943 it would be classed as a 1945 plane?

All because of the default skin, come on, your joking I hope.

A few of my XVI skins are from early 1945 birds, yet it is a 1944 plane.

[straffo]

Well it's the default skin ,I supposed HTC used the performance matching the serial (otherwise it would be inaccurate).

If the performances don't match then a correction should be made.

And according to the serial it should be a 1944 plane.
As this serial is from the start of the batch it make the Sabre IIA (2180 CV)  the probable engine but ! lot of tiffies were upgraded to Sabre IIB

From the source you linked (I'm at work now so I can't check in my books):

Sixth batch of 400 aircraft. PD446-PD480, PD492-PD536, PD548-PD577, PD589-PD623, RB192-RB235, RB248-RB289, RB303-RB347, RB361-RB408, RB423-RB459 and RB474-RB512. All aircraft with sliding hood, whip aerial, faired cannon, exhaust shrouds and four blade propeller, most aircraft with Napier Sabre IIa engine but a few among the final 255 were powered by the Napier Sabre IIb. Delivered between June 15th 1944 and January 5th 1945.

Btw more important (at least for me) is the horrible roll rate of the typhoon , I've seen only one source of data and I question the result of this as one sample is not enough to be accurate.
It was not the roll rate the typhoon had when 1st introduced in AH.

[Squire]

Performance wise, it looks like a Sabre IIA with the areodynamic improvements (cockpit, whip aireal ect).

362 on the deck (July 43 tests), plus @4-7 mph to give you 366-369. Ours does 372 "clean". So a few mph faster.

I would peg it as a late 1943 bird, that could have seen action well into 1944. Or, it could have been a 1944 delivered version as well. Im talking the a/c not the exact serial # here.

Just because its skinned as a 1944 bird doesnt make it a "1944" version, no. Its more involved than that.

[Krusty]

The skin is just a skin. The plane is made first, and the skin appiled afterwards. It's a bit much to expect the skins to be 100% accurate in every way, especially considering that you can put any skin on it you want.

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by Squire
Performance wise, it looks like a Sabre IIA with the areodynamic improvements (cockpit, whip aireal ect).

362 on the deck (July 43 tests), plus @4-7 mph to give you 366-369. Ours does 372 "clean". So a few mph faster.

I would peg it as a late 1943 bird, that could have seen action well into 1944. Or, it could have been a 1944 delivered version as well. Im talking the a/c not the exact serial # here.

Just because its skinned as a 1944 bird doesnt make it a "1944" version, no. Its more involved than that.

Yeah, I'd put it mid/late 1943.