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Offline Guppy35

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« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2008, 03:03:01 PM »
The Data block appears rarely from what I can see.  Seems like it is either overpainted or the exhast stains cover it.

It's three lines from the ones I did see.  On Robert Scott's P40 it reads:

U.S. ARMY P40 K-1
AIRCRAFT SERIAL NO. 42-4356
CREW WEIGHT 180 LBS



Not nearly as extensive as a P51 for example.

U.S. ARMY P51C-10NT
SERIAL NO. AAF 43-106730
CREW WEIGHT 200 LBS.
SERVICE THIS AIRPLANE WITH
GRADE 100/130 FUEL. IF NOT
AVAILALABLE T.O. 06-5-1 WILL BE
CONSULTED FOR EMERGENCY ACTION
SUITABLE FOR AROMATIC FUEL
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« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2008, 03:24:59 PM »
Guppy, would you say leaving it off is more representative? What about around the fuel cap? Any markings there? I've seen a few non-original references that show the gas cap as red, is that correct?


P.S. I have a partial plate in a photo off a P-40B that looks more like your p-51 plate. It goes on about 100 octane and some other things I can't read.

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« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2008, 03:34:24 PM »
Going through a number of group histories as well as a book specifically on the P40, I saw exactly 3 photos that showed that three line data block. One had kill markings covering part of it.

I think it's more representative to have it off based on the photo evidence
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« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2008, 05:03:56 PM »
Many thanks!

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« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2008, 05:56:08 PM »
I ordered a couple of P-40 books along with my Stuka books, and this is what I could find for you:

"American Volunteer Group Colours and Markings," Terrill Clements, Osprey Aircraft of the Aces #41, Osprey Publisyhing, 2001
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"P-40 Warhawk Aces of the Pacific," Carl Molesworth, Osprey Aircraft of the Aces #55, Osprey Publishing, 2003

The AVG book was obviously not very helpful for what you want.

The other one had some possibly useful stuff:

On page 30, it has a data plate attributed to 41-36171, "White 51" of 8th FS/49th FG that reads

U.S. ARMY P 40-E-1
AIR CORPS SERIAL NO.A.C.41-36171
CREW WEIGHT 200 LBS.

The "A.C.41-36171" is in a silghtly lighter in color

There is a plate (not a photo) of White 209 that identifies the aircraft as P-40F-15 41-19831 of 2Lt Lucien B Shuler, 68th FS/347th FG, Guadalcanal, April 1943.  The plate omits the fuselage stripe forward of the canopy, has no intake on top of the nose (of course), does have eyes, and also has the fuel cap in red.  There is also something stenciled just behind the aft fuselage stripe in front of the upper corner of the large access panel, but it is unreadable.

I looked at all of the photographs, and nowhere could I identify the stenciling in front of the access panel, a red fuel cap, nor stencil markings around the fuel cap.  There is a picture on page 72 of a P-40N-5 where stenciling around the fuel cap is clearly visible and the fuel cap is a different color, but it is a tan 45th FS bird.  I can not see any other stencil markings except an occasional pilot's name and/or killboard.

On page 61 there is a photograph of 2 P-40F's at Guadalcanal, one is a 44th FG bird (White 102, 41-14825) and the other a 68th FS bird (41-14102) from early 1942.  Both have the forward fusealge stripe.  Both pilots from the photo were KIA on 13 Feb 1943, Capt Al Johnson and 1Lt Ray Morrissey.

On page 67 is a photo of White 208.  Its caption reads:  1Lt L B 'Bob" Shuler of the 68th FS poses his P-40F-15 41-19831 'White 208' for a nice flying shot in the spring of 1943 before his transfer to the 44th FS.  Pilots and aircraft of the 44th, 68th and 70th FS on Guadalcanal often intermingled on missions during this period before the Warhawks were concentrated in the 44th FS."

Notice that both the plate for White 209 and the photo for White 208 are identified as 41-19831.

So, I do not think that I have managed to answer any of your questions, but at least I was able to increase the confusion.

Picture Hangar is still wacked out, so I can scan the pics and e-mail if needed, just PM me.
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« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2008, 06:56:12 PM »
Looks great, Krusty.

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« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2008, 07:04:10 PM »
I also have a reference photo of 209 (208?) without the stripes. They added them at a certain point, but apparently before giving them over to the 44th FS.

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« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2008, 07:23:44 PM »
The white stripes look about 25% too wide if it matters.
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« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2008, 11:11:47 PM »
I think I can fix that.

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« Reply #39 on: February 22, 2008, 10:48:02 AM »
Looking good  Krusty! 1 Thing i noted tho, is the weathering (footprints) on the side of the wing has only 1 tone. You might want to give it a little contrast here and there so it looks a little more realistic:



Except that part, i love it!
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« Reply #40 on: February 22, 2008, 11:03:39 AM »
I tend to work in multiple layers, also. I just haven't forced myself to get on with it yet :D

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« Reply #41 on: February 22, 2008, 11:39:55 AM »
Great job, Krusty- those screenies are intense!

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« Reply #42 on: February 23, 2008, 01:53:53 AM »
can you say HOT! whew nice p40 :P, emailed a guy who actually was a pilot in the 68th LL back in ww2, hopefully he can provide some insight if not images of the planes back then, here is his website about the Lancers: http://lightninglancers.com

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Re: P40e 68fs/347fg
« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2008, 12:37:02 AM »
I think the outside is done. I need to work on the cockpit now. Should be fairly simple (generation 1 cockpit), but didn't have time tonight.

Let's see if I can attach these images directly...

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Re: P40e 68fs/347fg
« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2008, 07:04:18 PM »
I'm redoing the cockpit on this one.

Instruments so far. I can't redo the needles or they are off-center for some reason. I haven't figured that out.

There's also some odd issues with the alpha layers on the instruments, but I've figured out a few workarounds to bypass 'em.

Note the panel behind them is still 256 resolution.

I'm upgrading the 3 cockpit files to 1024x1024 as well, I just started on the instruments first.