If the US is at war against Al Qaeda ..

[Black Sheep]

Pelosi sucks -

[FrodeMk3]

Origanally posted by Yeager

You dont need to know the right answer to know the one you have is wrong.

Iraq as a nation, the United States and the rest of western civilization was better off with Saddam in power. After watching the way these islamic cheekboness behave, I really believe Saddam was a stabilizing force. A stabilization that we have not and will never be able to replace. All we did was take out the sunnis (who had a tight grip on all the shiia nutsucks) and replace them with shiia nutsucks who are currently trying to get a grip on all the sunni cheekboness. We should have stayed the hell out of that wretched mess.
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I'd seen on a news special somewhere, that this is What Bush Sr. and his cabinet feared-Yeah, Saddam was stepping out of line, but The alternative was even worse, the kind of mess we have now. And what they really feared the most, was that after all was said and done, It would not be feasible to install a Pro-Western, Non-Islamic Democratic government that could stand on it's own, without something like a constant military occupation. Even a partial Religous/Parliamentary form of government would not be able to stand on it's own. We only get along with most of the middle east because for the longest time, we were there #1 market for oil. It did'nt do any good for them to bite the hand that fed them. However, now the Chinese are actually buying as much, if not more oil/gas than we are. And, now we are becoming very active in the region militarily, For a reason that they consider to be an invasion, with the ultimate aim of "Westernization" of the middle eastern states. They think that by trying to install a non-islamic government, we are actually trying to wipe out their very religion. The Pentagon and the White House knew this for decades. They went with this in mind as late as Desert Storm in '91. We knew then that to overrun Iraq and depose Saddam would destabilize the region severly, and that we did'nt have the resources to try to go with that plan of action.

[Lunger]

This is about the forth thread I've read, not including a sprited debate on channel 200. As a serving member of the United States Army that has served in Afghanastan and Iraq as a Paratrooper with the 101st Airborne, I have to admit that I am a severly offended at the vast number of post and threads submitted by those who have little to no knowledge of the true situation in the Global War on Terrorism.
 Has this Great Nation completely lost its SPINE?"? What has happened to us as a people once willing to sacrafice to the end for the cause of Life Liberity and the Persuit of Happiness. Reguardless of what misconception some of you may be suffering from, this fight is not for oil, its not for our President, its not for WMD's, its for YOU and you CHILDREN!!
 Every time I read or hear some coward say I support the troops but not the war. I'm sicked at the thought that I gave up a lung and lost several friends for someone who does not support their right to work in a large building without getting killed by a religious zelot. Thats right I said it, and that is what this fight is and will continue to be about weather some of you possess the intestinal fortitude to see it to the end or not.

[Lunger]

[Yeager]

As a nation we should have attacked the tribal lands of Pakistan after Afganistan, not Iraq.  We should have sent someone into old Saddams office and said "Hey Saddy, we are placing you on our side here now and we expecta full report in the morning" and had him continue to hold down the cheekboness, rather than what we have done there.  Removed the minority in tight control and replaced them with a sloppy majority just pissing everyone off, killing indiscriminately.  It was better off before.

[Eagler]

you must have forgotten Saddam was as nutty as the nuttiest cheekbones he supressed...and he was talking the talk that he had WMD's not to mention his oil for food deal with his euro bros and his shell game with the UN inspectors from 92 to 03.

oh yeah, the world was much better off with saddam and his sons ...
yep, you swallow the media spew hook, line and sinker .. thought u were smarter than that.

[Yeager]

those people cannot be liberated eagler.  They dont have the mindset for free thought.  Im sorry you cannot see that.  Saddam treated those people like cattle, which is exactly the way their religion requires them to behave.  The only way you can save them as a culture (Iraq) is to rid them of their repressive religious beliefs and to do that would require killing the host to be rid of the parasite.

[Eagler]

yeager
do yo think the majority of the ppl in Iraq want death and war or the minority?
do you think the violence in Iraq is being created by the majority of the ppl in Iraq or a small radical maybe even foreign minority?
do you  think the majority of Iraq wants peace or bombs?
you are confusing the wishes of the majority with the actions of the minority.
take away the violence and they'd be doing back flips for our "occupation" and the advancement of their civlization into the 21st century.
It's all politics here .. we are cutting our own throats in the name of politics. The left wants/needs us to lose this war. If Bush were to win it or heck just the success and advancements were to be played as often as the bombings and murders, the left would die as Bush would be hailed as the hero and liberator of the Iraq ppl he is  attempting to be.

[x0847Marine]

Originally posted by john9001
the administration did not screw up the occupation of Iraq, it's the people that keep blowing things up that are screwing it up, if they were not blowing things up there would be no "occupation", our troops would be home and Iraq would be a peaceful country by now.

put the blame where it belongs.

Bush ignored the long history of animosity for the US in the mid east thanks to other outstanding failures of US foreign policy, he wrongly assumed an election would pacify 30 years of distrust / dislike... its that type of poor judgement that has led to the anarchy and chaos.

He and his administration have failed. Our troops can win the battles, but the RNC & DNC will be responsible for losing the war.

Edit: quoting George Bush Sr and Brent Scowcroft

http://www.thememoryhole.org/mil/bushsr-iraq.htm

"Had we gone the invasion route, the U.S. could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different--and perhaps barren--outcome."


"Earlier there had been some concern in Arab ranks that once they allowed U.S. forces into the Middle East, we would be there to stay. Saddam's propaganda machine fanned these worries. Our prompt withdrawal helped cement our position with our Arab allies, who now trusted us far more than they ever had."

[john9001]

Originally posted by x0847Marine
Bush ignored the long history of animosity for the US in the mid east thanks to other outstanding failures of US foreign policy, he wrongly assumed an election would pacify 30 years of distrust / dislike...
 

only 30 years?

you want a "long history of animosity? i give it to you.

the muslim invasion of and occupation of Spain and France, turned back at the point of the sword.

muslim capture and occupation of Constantinople.

muslim invasion and occupation of eastern Europe.

muslim capture and occupation of the middle east.

muslim jacking up the price of oil in the 1970's.

support of terrorism.

how's that for a "long history of animosity, distrust/dislike"?

who should trust who?