110 wallowing

[Serenity]

Oh, and yes, the Bf-110G-2 DOES just fall backwards out of the air. It happened to me today...

[Ghosth]

I disagree.

2 years ago I did extensive stall testing on the 110's.

Engine on, (can throttle back a bit if you like, for me really didn't change things)
2 notch's of flaps, and drop gear. Gear comes out, pulls the nose down, along with a bit of help from rudder, full power, pull out CAREFULLY, as you raise gear.

If you do it quick enough you can recover quickly. If you get stuck in a full flat spin it takes 5 - 6k to get out.

The key is you HAVE to get nose down to recover. And the 110 does NOT like to go nose low in a stall. It wants to be slightly nose up. So cut the throttle by all means if you like. But drop those flaps/gear, get the nose down. In full flat spin often you had to "rock" it out with cycles of power on, power off, in conjunction with stick input.

[hubsonfire]

Originally posted by republic
It doesn't plummet backwards from the sky like the Mossy but,  

Mine do.

[Larry]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
Mine do.

Mabey take the ton of playboys outa your hiding space in the tail.

[Flame 2 the boy]

Originally posted by Serenity


(That was NOT a flame, )

u talkn to me?

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Larry
Mabey take the ton of playboys outa your hiding space in the tail.

[Xasthur]

Originally posted by Xasthur
Because it works.

In anycase, engines off -> rudder -> nose-down -> engines on = recover in our 110 at this point.

Ok, I tested this again today.

1 engine died mid-dogfight on the deck.

Using the technique listed above I recovered with 200 or 300 feet to spare.

So, this can be done within 1000 feet

[CAP1]

Originally posted by republic
I've always attributed the 110's poor high aoa and deathly stalls to actual design flaws...but now I ask...is it historically a 110 problem or a mossy like code bug?

It doesn't plummet backwards from the sky like the Mossy but, it does sometimes act as though suddenly there's no air whatsoever passing over it's wings until you can get the nose down.  Almost as though you pass through a bubble of vacuum space.

just out of curiousity..........you don't fly with auto combat trim on, do you? i ask only because virtually the only time i've ever stalled a 110 like you describe was with it on......and it seems as though it actually fights the recovery. i've had the same happen in a p38, and in a hurricane....thus, i never fly with it on anymore.....
just a thought.......

[CAP1]

Originally posted by Serenity
Just want to say, in real life, you recover from a spin in the EXACT SAME WAY, so if you folks were dropping from the sky because of a simple spin, perhaps you should study basic flight. Just saying...

(That was NOT a flame, im just saying that in real life you recover from spins in much the same way, so I dont really understand why this comes as such a revelation to some of the people flying here.)

cessna spin recovery::::throttle idle,  aielrons neutral, rudder opposite direction of spin....when spin arrested, slowly raise nose, add power.
i think thats the right procedure(only read bout it, CFI;'s won't practice it with us)