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Offline Vudak

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« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2007, 06:06:36 PM »
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Phaser and tedrbr covered most of the bases. This is a bad idea for both her and the soldier. She is considering an act that will be considered a conspiracy to commit fraudulant acts by the Military. If you are considering telling her to go forward with it you are aiding and abetting in the conspiracy. That is one thing for you to think about.



I'm not considering telling her to go forward with this at all.  I've been the only one with the alarm bells going off since day one.  I'm just trying to give her the legal/technical reasons not to, and lay off with the moral grounds.

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Frankly your position in this doesn't show you in a flattering light particularly in your concern for a soldier.


I apologize for this.  Please forgive me and see it as my not particularly caring for this particular soldier on the grounds that I feel he is going to get my good friend in a world of trouble.  No offense meant to the service in general.
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« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2007, 06:17:31 PM »
It's all been summed up pretty well in this thread Vudak.  I do know that Adultry is a HUGE nono in the Army as my wifes ex found out much to his chagrin.  Even if they got away with it anybody who bore either one of them a grudge could go to his command and land him in a world of hurt.  

I'd say the best advice in this thread so far is to tell her to go to a recruiter and sign up.
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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2007, 06:47:23 PM »
Ok, basically i only know the story from the sailor's side.

The guy and a couple of his friends got married for the sole purpose of monetary gains.

For some reason the navy did an investigation.  i think it was happening alot on that particular ship, and people were talking.

I know for a fact that the guys (all  sailors), got sent to some kind of military prison, which pretty much has ruined there naval careers.

As far as the women, who would be in the same boat as your friend, i'm not really sure what happened to them.  It can't be good though.
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« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2007, 07:24:00 PM »
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I apologize for this.  Please forgive me and see it as my not particularly caring for this particular soldier on the grounds that I feel he is going to get my good friend in a world of trouble.  No offense meant to the service in general.


If she is found out, there are felony charges that can be brought against her: defrauding the military, and thereby, the Federal Government.  Kind of thing that stays with you for life.

The guy in question would be in even bigger trouble, between the two.  He risks action under UCMJ as well as many a financial burden from the marriage.  If she's in financial trouble, he would be ruining his credit score.  She would have access to some of his finances.  She could take out credit card applications both would be liable for as a married couple.  Depending on the state of residence, the poor fool could end up with alimony payments.

All in all, he gets the worst end of the deal..... assuming he doesn't snap and in a rage takes your friend out completely.  Been known to happen.

Its a bad idea all around, but much worse for the soldier.  Is your friend aware of how she can take this fool to the cleaners?  Many a woman has done this intentionally.

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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2007, 08:39:54 PM »
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Yo Phaser!

You were stationed at RAF Upper Heyford correct?

If so I found a neat website, let me know.


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 What it is!
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« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2007, 09:29:25 PM »
Hi Vudak,

Simply put, its fraudulent and its wrong for more reasons than I can list without writing another book, and I'm too tired to write another book.

Its an attempt to defraud the US Government and ultimately the tax payers (that would be you and me) in time of war. The housing allowances are there to help the legitimately married couples live off base and raise their children, they are generous partly because the military recognizes that the family finances are the last thing a soldier needs to be worrying about in a fire-fight. Additionally, around here the budgets for things like guns and armor and training are already tight, so the idea of paying for fake marriages would make the blood of a lot of commanders boil - and that won't help much when your budy is getting charged.

Additionally, he is entering into a legally binding marriage contract with someone with demonstrably bad financial skills and a penchant for doing questionable things to solve them which could make him eventually liable for alimony and/or child support for many years to come, and believe me "But your honor, we only got married to defraud the government" isn't going to be a solid gold defense in divorce court.

So to sum up:

It's Immoral
It's Illegal
It's not particularly bright
It can ruin his career
It puts him in a VERY vulnerable legal position
They will probably eventually get caught
Heck, its even unpatriotic

Tell the lady in question to sell off anything that she doesn't  need, and then to get a job and some credit counseling, alternatively she could try getting married for real to someone with a solid income and a reasonably pleasant demeanor. But wait, I guess that kind of thing is outmoded... :rolleyes:
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« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2007, 09:49:39 PM »
It's what we call a "Contract Marriage" and I see them go bad all the time.

in addition to what Seagoon said:

It is against the UCMJ for the Military Member.

I'm not sure of all the debt laws and what not but from her stand point he could rack up a bunch of debt, file bankrupty and it might show up on her credit report or in some states she'd be financially liable for her husbands debt.

In addition it will cost money and time to get a divorce if he or she ever decides to remarry.  

Not to mention it is defrauding the taxpayers....that's us BTW of money that they don't deserve.

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Hey phaser, where you stationed?  AFSC?

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« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2007, 09:51:32 PM »
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Frankly your position in this doesn't show you in a flattering light particularly in your concern for a soldier.


Frankly the fact that the soldier is considering this (defrauding the govenrment, his employer) doesn't reflect well on him.

Just because he is a soldier doesn't mean he gets a free pass on thinking about fraud.  I'd say his morals are not to the standards of a soldier...

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« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2007, 10:23:52 PM »
Just think of it like this "WWCND?"




















What Would Chuck Norris Do?





He'd round house kick her butt outta her Financial problem, force feed her a bit of Responsiblity then Byatch slap yer Army friend for even thinking of disgracing the Military with such a fraudulent thought.





Then kiss the Stars and Stripes because he's an American!

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« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2007, 10:44:43 PM »
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Frankly the fact that the soldier is considering this (defrauding the govenrment, his employer) doesn't reflect well on him.

Just because he is a soldier doesn't mean he gets a free pass on thinking about fraud.  I'd say his morals are not to the standards of a soldier...


Stringer it's quite common among the younger enlisted.

Not only can they then collect BAH ($1-2K a month extra depending on where you're stationed) but they can move out of the barracks and get an apartment as well.  

It sounds quite attractive but what they don't realize is the second they get a power of attourney for their "wife" because they are getting ready to deploy.....she can move all of your "stuff" on the military's dime to where ever she wants and completly disappear.  Even then after she robs you blind you are still legally obligated to give her half of your BAH.  OTOH she could legally move into base housing without your consent and destroy the place and you are financially obligated to repay the govt all damages.

It really is somthing that looks very attractive to somone young and living in the barracks but it can be a very dark cloud.

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« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2007, 11:50:56 PM »
I let them go for it.  All the nasty little dirt comes out in the wash. If they're dumb & manipulative enough to do it, let them screw up their lives, get in trouble & pay the consequences.
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« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2007, 01:44:24 AM »
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Just think of it like this "WWCND?"

What Would Chuck Norris Do?

He'd round house kick her butt outta her Financial problem, force feed her a bit of Responsiblity then Byatch slap yer Army friend for even thinking of disgracing the Military with such a fraudulent thought.

Then kiss the Stars and Stripes because he's an American!

:aok

Mac


:rofl  I think I'll go with this one lol.

Thanks for the advice though, everyone.  I guess the best I can do is present her with the facts and tell her basically either don't do it, or, if you're gonna do it, try to make it a real one.
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« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2007, 06:32:28 AM »
I think we have a Winnar with the "WWCND"

You can nevar go wrong with Chuckie... or he'll eventually kick yer arse!

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« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2007, 07:34:22 AM »
Check your PMs Phaser

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« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2007, 08:43:47 AM »
It's a shame that the military is allowed to discriminate so much against single people. They do it to encourage marriage because married people are easier to retain.

Most people get married for monetary reasons anyway, that's why the gays want to do it, taxes and such. Who doesn't get married to improve his/her domestic situation? Women typically don't go looking to marry homeless or unemployed men, guess they're looking to defraud somebody. How does one determine if a marriage is a fraud?

The government now is going to dictate what is and isn't the right reason to get married?

I guess if they never fight, keep themselves in shape,  and are financially independant of eachother, that would be a tipoff that it's a sham marriage. God what an unholy union that would be!