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Offline JB73

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« on: April 29, 2007, 10:09:15 PM »
Or should I say "transaxle"  like my owners manual calls it...


anyway here's the "back story":

12 year old 1995 Buick Skylark. 187,000 miles, all mine bought it brand new in '95.

In the past all has been GREAT with the car, with some dumb exceptions mostly my fault. I

used to goto a jiffy lube place about 7-9 years ago with it because of easiness, and I'm lazy. back then I ended up having a tranny problem, turns out the fluid was bad and contaminated from them, who knows what the F they did, but the fluid was almost white, like oil with a broken head gasket.

got a real flush and clean from a family trusted mechanic place (completely reputable for 20+ years to us and others we personally know)

last transmission work done on the car this time last year radiator went, and had the rad, and tranny fluid cooler in it replaced, and a fresh flush and fill of fluid.


problem:

today, driving somewhere I stopped 3 times in 5 minutes after driving about 30 miles. after the 3rd stop I made the car accelerated REAL funny. I looked down and my spedometer wasn't working, and the service engine soon light came on (saw all this within 30 seconds of going.

drove to my buddies house close by, looked up autozone for the free diagnosis reader, went there, and No luck they don't have the adapter for 98 and older cars. checked a few other places on the phone no luck, so went to his house and started calling mechanic buddies including his neighbor.

while driving there what i found was major "slippage" accelerating from a stop, but once up to above 30 everything worked decent. if i let of the accelerator while going say 45 the RPM's would go down to idle like i was in neutral though.

first thought from some was low fluid. we got busy with a neighborhood baseball game and 5 hour later I went to go home, figuring I can make it the 7 miles, and will deal tomorrow.

started the car, and everything worked just fine. stopped at a local gas station OTW and properly warmed up and all checked the tranny fluid. it was 1/2 quart low. turned off the car, bought and added 1/2 quart almost exactly. sat a few minutes, then started it up, and bam light, and slow accell and again no speedometer.

from there it was 2 miles home, and 1/2 way I pulled over to check it again and to make sure there were no major leaks, "fire" under the car or anything.

from there all went to crap. slipping acceleration, more extreme than before, and then I went to manually check if the other "gears" worked. I only have D 3 and 2 D is circled / overdrive.

going to 3 did nothing going to 2 made me have no acceleration at all. then the weirdest thing happened. I was pissed, and slammed the console shifter forward a bit hard, and it went into reverse. :O

the engine "quit" like I turned the key off, and the battery and another light went on.

there was NO lurch or even a hint of it going into reverse, it should have not let me at 35 mph anyway, even if should have rocked the transmission so bad I'd leave it in the street.

I slipped it into neutral, and tried the key... nothing, not even click, or anything. I came to a stop, parked it, and tried the key. nothing, still lights on the dashboard and all, turned the key off, pulled it out, then tried starting it again. room a zoom, all good. started driving, and got to about 25 still in 1st gear, RPM's about 5500, I let off the gas, and the engine started slowing the car, then I slipped it into neutral again. RPM's went normal, the I put it back in drive. except for no speedometer, and the slipping acceleration mentioned earlier all was "normal"


everything points to transmission, and I thought the fluid would have at least helped not make other weird problems.

I am fairly technically proficient on cars, and can change wheel bearings, and plugs / coils, and other internal engine related things, and was wondering about the speedometer cable or something similar... but I don't know.


anyone have a possible diagnosis?


thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2007, 06:01:09 AM »
Your starting to 'eat' your torque converter, keep driving it and a blade will break off and feed its way through the whole transmission in itty, bitty, little pieces if it hasn't already started. You've gotten a whole lotta milage outa that thing and unless you can find a used tranny the rebuild will cost about twice what the car is worth.

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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2007, 06:06:33 AM »
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Your starting to 'eat' your torque converter, keep driving it and a blade will break off and feed its way through the whole transmission in itty, bitty, little pieces if it hasn't already started. You've gotten a whole lotta milage outa that thing and unless you can find a used tranny the rebuild will cost about twice what the car is worth.


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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2007, 06:12:32 AM »
I had to go look up a picture of the '95 and its the one I always called the 'buick snow plow' because of its pointy nose. :D

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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2007, 08:51:43 AM »
I have a 96 Skylark, (no snow plow ;) )  you are probably correct with the torque converter but you  might also have the Transmission Speed sensor (not sure it this is the exact part) checked.  I had a very similar issue with my skylark almost two years ago,  driving home, check engine light came on, speedo stopped working, lost power.  Pulled over, stopped the car.  Turned it off, started up again, everything came back. Drove the last mile to the house, and started all over again. Had it towed next to shop and I believe they said it was the transmission speed sensor.  Maybe two issues?

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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2007, 08:59:14 AM »
Yeah, sounds like your torque converter is self-destructing. It will take your transmission with it in short order, as the fins inside that provide the resistance are fracturing and will feed into the pump and chambers and trash them, if that hasn't happened already.

Also could be the stator clutch/bands frying or the pump going away.

(edit) You guys drive some crappy cars ;)

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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2007, 09:05:24 AM »
I thought about a little bit and have the transmission speed sensor checked.   I remember that the day or two before my "incident" the car was accerlating funny and the RPMs where going up but the car wasnt going any faster, once I got above 40-45mph everything smoothed out.  Have it towed to a good transmission shop or someplace you trust.

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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2007, 10:11:20 AM »
Time for a full transmission overhaul if you intend to keep the car. I wouldn't drive it any more the way it is. Good luck with it.
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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2007, 11:54:33 AM »
thanks for the tips. I have a new relative (close cousin got married) ad he's the parts manager at a local transmission shop, and has offered the "family" deal before basically costs of parts only.

problem is he is in Mexico on their honeymoon until Wednesday :(

if it is the torque converter and you say it will eat my transmission from the inside quickly, how quick?  can I make it about 25-30 miles in the next 2 days on a errand or 2 before full failure?
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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2007, 11:59:00 AM »
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thanks for the tips. I have a new relative (close cousin got married) ad he's the parts manager at a local transmission shop, and has offered the "family" deal before basically costs of parts only.

problem is he is in Mexico on their honeymoon until Wednesday :(

if it is the torque converter and you say it will eat my transmission from the inside quickly, how quick?  can I make it about 25-30 miles in the next 2 days on a errand or 2 before full failure?


It depends bro, on the damage that has already been done.   If I were to drive it, I'd coddle the hell out of it.   Personally, I'd park it til Weds.
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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2007, 12:07:38 PM »
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It depends bro, on the damage that has already been done.   If I were to drive it, I'd coddle the hell out of it.   Personally, I'd park it til Weds.


rgr that, I got someone lending me a car for the next week or so, will have to see though as with unemployement money is so tight I can't even explain it :(
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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2007, 11:36:50 AM »
So, hows that transmission thing?

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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2007, 12:21:47 PM »
still waiting to hear airscrew, the family member got back from mexico with swimmers ear, so he hasn't been about to look at it yet.
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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2007, 12:31:59 PM »
One other thing...  I had similar symptoms that turned out to be the cars computer freaking out in my 99 Buick Regal.  I pulled the positive terminal from the battery and left it for an hour, then re-attached it and everything worked fine.  Might be worth trying before the drive to the shop.
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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2007, 12:45:56 PM »
Rgr that JB.   Chairboy's got point though, I had issue like that with a 96 Caravan I had, it didnt want to upshift from 2nd to 3rd and then it wouldnt downshift either.  turn it off and back on and then it was fine.  Turned out it was the PCM (Power Control Module) basically the black box under the hood that controlled all the electronic crap...  alot of electronic problems can mimic mechanical issues