ENY, Uncap bases, ETC, discussion.

[pluck]

Originally posted by Kev367th
1) Harsh community - and this has changed how?

2) Intense isn't a problem, it's when everyone is compressed into small fronts, i.e. Uterus (the suckiest map of all, and not fun when it's up in BOTH LW arenas).

3) Switch arenas - Part of the problem as opposed to the answer.
a) People leave an arena where they are outnumbered, to an arena where they have numbers.
Not criticism, just plain fact, and foretold it would happen.
Result ENY goes haywire in two arenas.
Been on both ends of ENY, it's not fun either way.
b) Anyone who says its fun to fly say a 262 or Tempest (with virtual impunity) against the early stuff is deluded, all it does help is the score mongers.
c) Some who do stay in the arena will switch sides, not to even things, but  to get the cheap perkie stuff. (look at point (b).

4) Aces High or not, GVs are now a major part of the game, unless you think the nice pretty new hedgerows etc, were done for the benefit of aircraft.

5) time limit on country swaps - Was lowered to an hour, and now abused.


Problems, yup plenty.
Answers, I wish.

Personally, I think the arena's ARE more friendly then what they were.  Once agian there are those people, there always will be.

If not ENY, how would you keep side somewhat even, without having 1 country with 3:1 odds for months on end....or is that ok for you?  Since this is a game, should there be no effort to try to keep it a somewhat fair contest?

as for GV's, I said they were not a MAJOR focus, not a focus.

Time limit is good for those of us who like to switch teams to help balance the teams, thus helping to improve ENY for the the other countries.  

I don't think there is a perfect solution, and I think asking for one is asking to much.  If you think large lop sided teams for months on end is ok, as long as someone is steam rolling someone else, then we have very little to discuss.  They way i see it, is that AH is fun.  I don't really see any problems, but then again, i don't fret about spies, i don't live for my chess piece, i don't worry about the bases and the scenery.  I come here to fly with my friends and shoot at stuff and hopefully have an opportunity to do so in an environment that actually has competition...Not picking at a hord in a tempest or fighting 15 guys for 1 noob kill.  Once again, HTC has a vision, some agree with the changes, some don't.  But it's like when tax season comes around, all of a sudden everyones an expert.  I don't see any of these changes preventing anyone from playing the game and having fun.  If you have a huge number advantage, and low eny, switch arena....you are now helping to balance your side and hopefully the arena (and assuming your country) you switch to will need your help.

[Thruster]

The first time I got an eny message my reaction was as most...WTF is this??
After the process was explained I understood the rationale.
The next time it happenned I started thinking about it. Bad idea I know but what could I do?
The D3A I upped gave me plenty of time to ponder why I was limited in my choices because other players in my country chose to log on more than other countries at that moment.

What a half baked idea.

If the team concept were more ingrained into the arenas, maybe the concept of handicaps would make sense.
All I know is that when I'm jumped by multiple enemys, the population of the arena as a whole is not a concern of mine.
When I can't fight back as well as I would like, or can't help my mates out as well as I would like it gets frustrating.
I get that having to fly more tricky birds can be seen as a way of forcing players to further develop their skills. Thanks for the chance to push my comfort zone but I had a therapist once. May he rest in peace.
Add that to the fact that these newer, prettier versions have so many performance bugs, with new ones added every patch that 'bout all I can keep in the air and kill with is an La. and not very well at that. (my average rank has gone from 100 something to the 500's since the Jeep intro)

Bottom line is eny limits seem like stealing. It's not your problem who is logged on. The point balance allows under represented countries to fly the uber planes cheaply. That should be enough.

Maybe instead of forcing players into craft they are not familiar with, causing them to be no more than moving target drones in most cases, we could explore the challenges of fighting a numerically unbalanced conflict. I percieve that would enable us to decide when a Hurri 2 , or SBD makes the most sense to fly to it's particular advantages as opposed to having no choice in the matter.
BTW dosn't HT advertise the variety of available rides? Brag about it even?
Maybe there's call for an asterisk somewhere.

Now, lets talk about the renegotiating of spent perk points.
If I up a perkie that costs 50 points, that's what I should be debited.
Again, I don't care how the population has changed between liftoff and crash.
Thank God their billing system dosn't use an eny type balancer.

Oh no, I hope I didn't give HT any ideas.

[Max]

Originally posted by batch
hmm alot of interest fast in this subject......... so guess Ill voice my 2 cents......... on a variety of topics

first off get real........ everyone is sick of the same 4 maps over and over....... there is no logical explanation for not using other maps, other than it interferes with the lame reset rules......... and dont even pretend to think it has anything to do with servers......... a server will run a large map the exact same as a small map....... traffic is all the server cares about (the number of people on it)

next getting to server traffic....... WTF with the arena balancing when 1 arena has 120 people ........ duh if theres 130 people on and you have "supereme servers" then whats the problem with 1 arena??? instead we are forced to goto the the arena with 10 people until they are 90% balanced? come on......... most people who PAY to play prefer at least 300 in an arena........ thats where the line should be drawn before any balancing comes into play...

ENY: how IDIOTIC is this?  you penalize a country for having more players logged in......... then you allow people to switch countries every hour????
do you not see the path this follows? did it ever occur that some might switch just to stack this factor?? (whether it dawned on you or not.... it happens EVERY day)

M4?.......... hmmm interesting topic........ the sherman most widely used during the war was very weak ....... however the version used in the game wasnt as weak........a sherman could not take a hit like a tiger in any of its versions....... however........ the tiger is WAY overmodeled in the game as well so wtf is the difference?.... should we perk the M4? IMO only if you unperk the Tiger......... gotta give everyone a chance at a higher edge tank...... and the P4 is no competition for either of these tanks in the game

back to country switching........ this IMO should be a little more regulated......although its been discussed before and brought to the greater benefit of HTC.... you should consider the thoughts of your PAYING customers a bit more....... limit it to perhaps 1/24........ that limits the ability to switch simply to get info....... and if I hear any spies in war crap Ill just scream....... if this was real war we wouldnt get to respawn.......


ITS JUST A GAME

Some body just made a new BBS acc't

[Bronk]

Originally posted by SlapShot
Wow ... this thread has reached overDOLT like none other.

Fixed it for ya Slappy.






Bronk

P.S.  I want eny to kick in sooner and harder. Little horde monkeys don't want to balance it out? You get to attack and defend in 30+ eny ac.

[Simaril]

Originally posted by AAolds
Not every encounter should be "balanced", what a bore if all conflicts were balanced.  sometime being outnumbered is a blast, as is being on a the side with superior numbers.  Forced balancing....does not promote good will among the sides affected by it.

Olds:


If you are such a fan of unbalanced gameplay, I challenge you to spend an entire month finding the most outnumbered country, on the most imbalanced arena. After a day or 2, your tune will change!

I played before ENY, and trust me -- this is a necessary improvement. Right before ENY came, the imbalance killed game play. Attackers moved in swarms like biblical locusts, and it was impossibly difficult to defend if you were the low side. That meant the weaker players couldnt stay low side, so they migrated to the high side and the problem just got worse and worse.



In general, those who whine most about the fairness of ENY have little concern about being fair to others.....

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by Kev367th
Anyone who says its fun to fly say a 262 or Tempest (with virtual impunity) against the early stuff is deluded, all it does help is the score mongers.

*snork!*

I'm sorry...it was just too...

*snork*

- oldman

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Pieper
not you.....the server giving you these graphics.....on a larger scale........and to a larger amount of people....server connot hang

Ummmm,,,,, no.
The server is nothing more than a info transfer point. The game is essentially run on your PC.

Bronk

[Zazen13]

As far as I recall, I don't have the patience to find HiTech's post but, the shift to split arenas on smaller maps had nothing to do with infrastructure limitations. It had everything to do with the pattern of gameplay on the larger maps, particularly during off-peek times, whereby there would be habitual 'non-fighting'. There were so many fields relative to the number of players that one horde would be milkrunning bases on one part of the map while the others did the same elsewhere with no real reason to actually come into hostile contact with one another. The problem arose when it was evident that non-fighting was the norm, the gameplay was obviously suffering and the change was made.

It is very hard to attract and retain a player base to a product you are advertising as an air combat game when there is very little actual air combat taking place. That was the motive for the switch. From where I stand it appears to be, for the most part, successfull in creating an environment of perpetual combat during most play times, which was not at all the case prior. I know there will be those with selective memories who will claim otherwise, but that is the reality of it...


Zazen

[Xasthur]

^ Zazen is on the money.

The only time you'd have really good fights was when your country was getting its arse whooped and you were down to the last few bases before reset.

Resets were far more frequent then, though.

[Hornet33]

Originally posted by gpa3
Next time you complaint about anything... ANYTHING at all...  regarding the United States please pack your bags and leave cry baby.

Considering I'm retireing from the military the end of this month, I've EARNED the right to complain about anything I want regarding MY county. I've fought and BLED for MY country, what have you done for it? You let me know when you've accomplished something as important as a DISTINGUISHED military career, until then grow up.

[Pieper]

whatever....however it works....lets just get some better maps please

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Pieper
whatever....however it works....lets just get some better maps please

So, you admit that you had no idea what you were talking about?




Bronk

[pictolrac]

I agree the model needs reworking. I hit an aircraft hangar with six rockets today (in a TBM) and did not scrape the paint - in the real world it was gone. ENY sucks as a lot of the time we were uotnumbered OR did outnumber the opposition - that is what makes it fun and a challenge - who wants an enforced balance all the time?

[Bronk]

Originally posted by pictolrac
who wants an enforced balance all the time?

How would you like it if your fav football (Soccer) team only got 2/3 players to the other sides full squad? Would that be fair?
This is a game and games are suppose to be fair.



Bronk

[pictolrac]

Oh yeah - like 1940 when the Germans owned all of Europe and the UK stood alone and still took on the fight - yes I forgot that was fair.....