P-51D... the new La-7???

[Serenity]

Originally posted by Knegel
The P51 is good, if u know to handle it, but you realy should fly a la7 a bit more, that will answer your question.

If you be more successfull in the G6 than G14, you might fly it only in and above rathed altitude. Otherwise the G14 is clearly the MUCH better plane.

Power-wise, yes, but I find I get much more maneuverability out of the G-6

[evenhaim]

i must say as a p51 pilot myself u can fly it two ways
A: into a furball to die seconds later
B: set up a slashing style attack and or a E fight
use angles to your advantage.

i prefer B snd trust me ponys are easy targets so dont so something stupid like slow speed turn fight in a furball

I must say though that to duel a 51 against a comprable foe is quite dificult and requires great amounts of skill as the p51 has very slugish reactions at slow speed but at high speed it can out turn almost anything with 1 notch flaps or combat flaps.  And remember most of all pony accelarets as fast as a dead cow one of slowest accelarating fighters in game so plane an egress before getting in to trouble

play smart live long

btw (hijack) great fights benny) unhijack

freezman

[Knegel]

Originally posted by Serenity
Power-wise, yes, but I find I get much more maneuverability out of the G-6

Hi,

the G6 only turn a bit more tight, while the rollratio is the same and the G14īs acceleration and speed is good above that of the G6 and most other AH planes.

The biggest mistake people make while trying to dogfight with the 109īs and specialy while flying the G14 and K4 is to keep full power. This stop the planes to decelerate and to turn as tight needed. As result they often overshoot and end in front of the enemy.  If you wanna turnfight in a 109G14, you often need to reduce the power to zero and the G14īs acceleration make such manouvers less dangerus, cause you can gain distance again very fast.

Vs the G14 the P51īs have more trouble, but they always can disengage, as long as they have altitude to gain +400mph, where the 109īs get less manouverable. But for sure the P51 isnt as easy as the La7 in low alt.  
In low the La7 accelerate like mad, keep energy like mad, is fast like mad and have an incredible firepower.

Greetings,

Knegel

[B3YT]

serenity in those fights you were using the P-51 in the wrong way but you did well.  

I find most US planes tend to be fast but lose out on the manouvering side (though most 38 pilots can whoop any plan that comes thier way)

The 51 is not invicable. i've scored a very wide range of kills in my spit IX and Vb.

and last season 51's were my fave meal.

[wrag]

Originally posted by Knegel
Hi,

the G6 only turn a bit more tight, while the rollratio is the same and the G14īs acceleration and speed is good above that of the G6 and most other AH planes.

The biggest mistake people make while trying to dogfight with the 109īs and specialy while flying the G14 and K4 is to keep full power. This stop the planes to decelerate and to turn as tight needed. As result they often overshoot and end in front of the enemy.  If you wanna turnfight in a 109G14, you often need to reduce the power to zero and the G14īs acceleration make such manouvers less dangerus, cause you can gain distance again very fast.

Vs the G14 the P51īs have more trouble, but they always can disengage, as long as they have altitude to gain +400mph, where the 109īs get less manouverable. But for sure the P51 isnt as easy as the La7 in low alt.  
In low the La7 accelerate like mad, keep energy like mad, is fast like mad and have an incredible firepower.

Greetings,

Knegel

When did the G14 acceleration and speed get above the G6??????

I SEEM to recall running down a few G14's ina G6????  Maybe that was a G2?  Remember turn fightin and the G14 just couldn't SEEM to get it's speed back as quickly as the G2 or G6????

Granted the G14 BLEEDS E VERY QUICKLY!!!

Flown both.  I SEEM to recall the 14 is SLOW to accelertate?  Takes for ever to get up to speed while the G6 SEEMS to get there quicker?

Top speed?  Can't recall ever getting the G14 to the rated/reported top speed EVER!  Ran it on wep for 10 minutes and NEVER reached 408!  Think I got it to 395?

But been awhile since I've flown it.

In my readings the G14 was mainly intended as a GROUND support Aircraft.

IMHO the ground attack role required more armour and the extra weight and the bulges make it SLOWER to accelerate, and thus it CAN become a wallowing PIG real quick!

IMHO the G10 would and should have been the plane and NOT the G14.

Argued this before with others BUT the G10 has a cleaner skin and doesn't weigh quite as much?!?!?

Therefore even with the same engine the G10 SHOULD out ACCELERATE the G14!!  Otherwise the LAWS of physics, and areodynamics are LIE'S?!?!?!?

AND the G10 SHOULD have a slightly higher top speed then the G14.  Probably somewhere between the K4 and the G2.............

And a G10 would have the 20mm hub cannon option AND the underwing gonds option.

Pony D should out run the G10 but not by allot.  G10 should out manuver the Pony D. As reported in Air Journal by 2 recognized flyers that flew the 2 together.  (IIRC Sadly one is now deceased, P38 crash )

[Trikky]

I've asked for a special flashing icon for Ponys that automagically picks up on the anxiety levels of the pilot by the way its flown -  speed, g forces, alt, ratio of friendlies to enemies etc so we as a community could sympathise with 99% of the D pilots.

It wouldn't have to be too complicated. From the moment it spawns till it hits about 20k circling in its own base ack it would be pink, or 'I'm scared'. Then when it joines up with 5 other D ponies and heads to a red dar bar it would be greenish yellow, or 'I'm puking with fear'. When they get within icon range of the single red plane with a smoking engine, half the control surfaces missing etc it would be brownish yellow, or 'I'm so scared I've lost control of my bowels'.

Trouble is with this system I cant think of suitable visual representations when they find themselves alone with a con closing on their 6 with nothing to run to, other than spontaneously exploding or 'I'm having a heart attack!'.

[Squire]

"In my readings the G14 was mainly intended as a GROUND support Aircraft."

I dont think so. It was used in the Jabo role in 44-45 along with many other LW fighter types, but that was born out of neccesity. Fw190As were used as Jabo as well, but thats not its primary role. P-51s were used as fighter-bombers too, but again, not the primary role.

As for speed the G-14 is the faster a/c, no question. Its also a bit heavier than a G-6.

G-14 vs a P-51, I like it is as long as you work the climb rate and try to get above him.

Vs an LA-7, go vertical, wait for him to screw up or disengage.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by wrag
When did the G14 acceleration and speed get above the G6??????

I SEEM to recall running down a few G14's ina G6????  Maybe that was a G2?  Remember turn fightin and the G14 just couldn't SEEM to get it's speed back as quickly as the G2 or G6????

Granted the G14 BLEEDS E VERY QUICKLY!!!

Flown both.  I SEEM to recall the 14 is SLOW to accelertate?  Takes for ever to get up to speed while the G6 SEEMS to get there quicker?

Top speed?  Can't recall ever getting the G14 to the rated/reported top speed EVER!  Ran it on wep for 10 minutes and NEVER reached 408!  Think I got it to 395?

But been awhile since I've flown it.

I

The G-14 accelerates considerable faster than G-6, has higher top speed and has a better ROC when engaging WEP.

[Major Biggles]

Originally posted by Benny Moore
Since I am a duellist by nature, I rate the P-51 as one of the four hardest ships to fly in this game.  Of course if all you do is pick off the cripples, or fight from numerical advantage, then yes it is rather easy due to the speed.  But then that makes the FW-190 even more "easy," because it does all that better than the P-51 at normal altitudes.

i have to disagree then again, i disagreed with the 47 too miss flying with you man pony is great fun in a dogfight. it's harder than others, but it can handle itself if the pony pilot know what to do

[BaldEagl]

Hmm... there's a REASON that the top ten combined kills plus deaths over the past three months looks like this:

Plane                   Kills+Deaths K/D

Panzer IV H   805977   0.92
P-51D      213818   1.07
N1K2      209811   1.22
Sherman VC   203661   1.18
Spitfire Mk XVI   191447   1.10
La-7      186009   1.27
Ostwind      152159   1.64
Tiger I      127225   5.52
B-24J      115614   0.41
SeaFire      106616   0.85

P-51D and N1K2 take over for the Spit XVI and La-7 as the new Dweeb planes!

[wrag]

Originally posted by Squire
"In my readings the G14 was mainly intended as a GROUND support Aircraft."

I dont think so. It was used in the Jabo role in 44-45 along with many other LW fighter types, but that was born out of neccesity. Fw190As were used as Jabo as well, but thats not its primary role. P-51s were used as fighter-bombers too, but again, not the primary role.

As for speed the G-14 is the faster a/c, no question. Its also a bit heavier than a G-6.

G-14 vs a P-51, I like it is as long as you work the climb rate and try to get above him.

Vs an LA-7, go vertical, wait for him to screw up or disengage.

G2 is faster then the G6???

G2 is faster then the G14???

G14 may be faster at top speed then G6 But acceleration SEEMS less.

G14 vs pony????? not wise over 16K in a G14! Not if the pony pilot knows how to fly a pony!

Is that La7 co-e?  Goin vertical against a co-e co-alt lala is not wise!

[wrag]

Originally posted by Lusche
The G-14 accelerates considerable faster than G-6, has higher top speed and has a better ROC when engaging WEP.

I don't remember it that way?!?!?

Recall G6 gettin up to speed faster?  Been in 1 or 2 Co-alt Co-e turn fights flyin a G6 and fightin with G14s and stayed with em till I shot em down.  Even when they tried to run.

G14 used to SEEM take forever to get up speed even with wep.

Granted it climbs better then any 109 but the K4 but G2 comes close.

Possible they remodeled it.  I'll try it out.

[Knegel]

Originally posted by wrag
When did the G14 acceleration and speed get above the G6??????

I SEEM to recall running down a few G14's ina G6????  Maybe that was a G2?  Remember turn fightin and the G14 just couldn't SEEM to get it's speed back as quickly as the G2 or G6????

Granted the G14 BLEEDS E VERY QUICKLY!!!

Flown both.  I SEEM to recall the 14 is SLOW to accelertate?  Takes for ever to get up to speed while the G6 SEEMS to get there quicker?

Top speed?  Can't recall ever getting the G14 to the rated/reported top speed EVER!  Ran it on wep for 10 minutes and NEVER reached 408!  Think I got it to 395?

But been awhile since I've flown it.

In my readings the G14 was mainly intended as a GROUND support Aircraft.

IMHO the ground attack role required more armour and the extra weight and the bulges make it SLOWER to accelerate, and thus it CAN become a wallowing PIG real quick!

IMHO the G10 would and should have been the plane and NOT the G14.

Argued this before with others BUT the G10 has a cleaner skin and doesn't weigh quite as much?!?!?

Therefore even with the same engine the G10 SHOULD out ACCELERATE the G14!!  Otherwise the LAWS of physics, and areodynamics are LIE'S?!?!?!?

AND the G10 SHOULD have a slightly higher top speed then the G14.  Probably somewhere between the K4 and the G2.............

And a G10 would have the 20mm hub cannon option AND the underwing gonds option.

Pony D should out run the G10 but not by allot.  G10 should out manuver the Pony D. As reported in Air Journal by 2 recognized flyers that flew the 2 together.  (IIRC Sadly one is now deceased, P38 crash )

Hi,

as Lusche pointed out, you be wrong regarding your G6/G14 statements.

Depending to the engine, the G14 was in the same class like the G10, it only had a bit more drag, due to the less good cowling.
While the G14 mainly had a the DB605AM and ASM(G14AS), the G10 had mainly the DB605DB(M).
The DB605A was better in around 5000m, while the DB605DB had a bit more power at sealevel and above 6000m.
The Airframe of the G10 and G14 was almost the same, so was the weight and armament.

The G14 also could run with the P51, but this depends to the altitude and outmanouvering depends also much to the altitude and speed while manouvering.
The 109G10/14īs in general was better at slow speed, where they had a good rollratio, stall character and acceleration, while at speeds above 350mph the P51 turned to be the more agile plane.

Greetings,

Knegel

[evenhaim]

the only reason the pony is so hated is becuase all the noobs come in to the ma and say o wait p51 was best plane in ww2 then they up one. gives use pony drivers a bad name Trikky get back in your yak ya noob lol
btw blame skat hes responsible for mosth those kills

-freezman

[Meyer]

The G-14 was a G-6 with MW50.. nothing more, nothing less.  
Should outaccelerate the G-6 easily below FTH, the lower the better for the G-14.    
Above FTH, G-6 should be slightly better, same power but a bit lighter (no MW50 equipment..)