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Offline bj229r

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How do make make a proper copy of hard drive?
« on: May 13, 2007, 06:22:11 PM »
My motherboard will do raid, but my newer hard drive is like 4X the size of my C drive, which doesn't work...so I made a partition on the big drive of about same size, and tried to 'select all' and copy/paste, but that doesn't work either, as many things are in use on the C drive and refuse to be copied.....what's best way to do this? (both are SATA)


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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2007, 06:26:54 PM »
Acronis TrueImage is what I use, I'm sure there are some good cheap alternatives as well.

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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2007, 07:01:35 PM »
The C drive doesn’t work, but you are trying to copy from it?  Define “doesn’t work” in regards to your C drive.  What can your C drive do?

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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2007, 07:02:55 PM »
Oh, wait, are you saying that a Raid of unequal HDs won’t work?

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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2007, 08:23:31 PM »
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The C drive doesn’t work, but you are trying to copy from it?  Define “doesn’t work” in regards to your C drive.  What can your C drive do?


"doesn't work", meaning many parts of the drive refuse to be copied (in use, I'd imagine)---I deal with lotsa stuff at work that can't be copied unless you shut down services, etc that have anything to do with it---that about kills trying to copy the Windows folder to the extent ya'd get a bootable copy
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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2007, 08:25:42 PM »
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Oh, wait, are you saying that a Raid of unequal HDs won’t work?


Well they TELL you to even buy them in a matched set, but I thought I'd make a partition of exact same size and see how that went---Raid doesnt see partitions, only the physical DRIVE---so in this case I'd be wasting the extra 160-odd gig leftover on the 2nd drive, assuming it worked at all
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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2007, 08:32:18 PM »
I would assume most supporting software, BIOS, and motherboards would not allow the RAID to two different size partitions (which is not necessarily the same as the size of the hard drives).   I can see no reason to risk trying to run a RAID on two different sized drives either.... I could see problems in such an attempt.  

If his C drive no worky now, I doubt he's going to be able to create a backup or RAID with it now.  If it's important enough, the drive can be sent out to recover data from it at a price.  Need to define that "which doesn't work" statement.

I've never tried to create a RAID with one drive being an existing C drive either..... this is always something I've done from scratch from initial build/rebuild.  Certainly not going to be able to run a RAID 0 with with one partitioned and used C drive and a new larger drive.  I've never seen RAID added to a system afterward and keep the initial C drive as was.


Are you trying to recover information from a C drive that no longer works?
Are you trying to change from a single drive system to a RAID configuration; and if so, what kind of configuration and for what purpose?
Are you just trying to back up your hard drive?

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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2007, 08:36:19 PM »
Poor choice of words on my part--the C drive works fine, my attempts at making a bootable, exact copy of it have failed---goal here is to get a decent copy of hard drive in event of future failure--I'm always running into customers who have this dilemma--rather not lose a buncha irreplaceable stuff myself
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2007, 09:25:26 PM »
You should look at various backup software then, I'd say, and maybe an external or networked hard drive.

Windows has it's own built in backup ability -- not great, but it's there.  Norton has some.  There is some freeware and shareware out there as well.  I think you'll have more luck in finding a backup solution in case you ever need to do a clean install, than trying to turn a existing single drive system into a mirrored RAID 1 configuration.  Also, most systems take a performance hit with some backup software (Norton Ghost for example) or some mirrored RAID 1 configurations, so if this is a game system, you may see some performance loss, depending on the solution you go with (occasional manual backups vs RAID or mirrored backup software solution).

Windows security arrangements makes backing up the OS a PITA much of the time, as well as trying to make copies of OS files;  you may be better off backing up all your other data and updates (I tend to keep all updates for all programs in a folder on both my C or D drive and in my external hard drive backup folders).  So long as you have the original OS CD/DVD, you can do a clean install of the OS and drivers if need be, then reinstall the backups as needed.  It does take some time, so if what you have is mission critical, then yes, look to a good RAID solution, and be prepared to spend some money to do it right.

What I've found works best for me is two 70G hard drives in a RAID 0 configuration (data stripping) for the OS and some hardware intensive programs and games --- this is for performance, not backup ---- , while keeping my backups, files, music files, photos, and so forth in a 3rd drive on the tower, as well as copies in an external hard drive on the home network (which has folders for each tower and laptop as for backup and shared files).

For a true fault tolerant RAID 1 configuration, I think you will have to invest in two equal drives and look at a clean install of the OS and all files (after saving to another system/external drive/backup what you want to keep) to really do it right.  Or you can go hawg wild with lots of hardware for RAID 3, 4, 5, or 6 configurations.  An external hard drive and backup software will be a lot cheaper.

You can still use that second drive as a D drive and keep backups on it.  If your C drive goes, then you replace the drive (if necessary), do a clean install of the OS to the C drive, then pull your backed up files from your D drive folders as needed.  Just no way to access that D drive until the C drive is back up (which is why I have the networked external hard drive).


RAID configurations, especially 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6, are for fault tolerate, mission critical systems and sometimes performance gains.  If this is the case, I think you'll need to invest a bit more to do it right, and you will be looking at a clean install, not trying to tack it onto an existing system.   If you are just backing up a home/office computer, then backup software and an external (or networked) hard drive should work fine.  External drives are especially useful if you have access to multiple computers, so if one is down, you can use another to access the files on the external drive.

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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2007, 09:47:03 PM »
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Originally posted by tedrbr
You should look at various backup software then, I'd say, and maybe an external or networked hard drive.

Windows has it's own built in backup ability -- not great, but it's there.  Norton has some.  There is some freeware and shareware out there as well.  I think you'll have more luck in finding a backup solution in case you ever need to do a clean install, than trying to turn a existing single drive system into a mirrored RAID 1 configuration.  Also, most systems take a performance hit with some backup software (Norton Ghost for example) or some mirrored RAID 1 configurations, so if this is a game system, you may see some performance loss, depending on the solution you go with (occasional manual backups vs RAID or mirrored backup software solution).

Windows security arrangements makes backing up the OS a PITA much of the time, as well as trying to make copies of OS files;  you may be better off backing up all your other data and updates (I tend to keep all updates for all programs in a folder on both my C or D drive and in my external hard drive backup folders).  So long as you have the original OS CD/DVD, you can do a clean install of the OS and drivers if need be, then reinstall the backups as needed.  It does take some time, so if what you have is mission critical, then yes, look to a good RAID solution, and be prepared to spend some money to do it right.

What I've found works best for me is two 70G hard drives in a RAID 0 configuration (data stripping) for the OS and some hardware intensive programs and games --- this is for performance, not backup ---- , while keeping my backups, files, music files, photos, and so forth in a 3rd drive on the tower, as well as copies in an external hard drive on the home network (which has folders for each tower and laptop as for backup and shared files).

For a true fault tolerant RAID 1 configuration, I think you will have to invest in two equal drives and look at a clean install of the OS and all files (after saving to another system/external drive/backup what you want to keep) to really do it right.  Or you can go hawg wild with lots of hardware for RAID 3, 4, 5, or 6 configurations.  An external hard drive and backup software will be a lot cheaper.

You can still use that second drive as a D drive and keep backups on it.  If your C drive goes, then you replace the drive (if necessary), do a clean install of the OS to the C drive, then pull your backed up files from your D drive folders as needed.  Just no way to access that D drive until the C drive is back up (which is why I have the networked external hard drive).


RAID configurations, especially 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6, are for fault tolerate, mission critical systems and sometimes performance gains.  If this is the case, I think you'll need to invest a bit more to do it right, and you will be looking at a clean install, not trying to tack it onto an existing system.   If you are just backing up a home/office computer, then backup software and an external (or networked) hard drive should work fine.  External drives are especially useful if you have access to multiple computers, so if one is down, you can use another to access the files on the external drive.


Yah, that's what I was afraid of, no real easy way to do it---not really married to the Raid idea, just wanting a good copy of hd (a bootable copy) in case the drive pukes. I'll prolly invest in some back=up software, thanx
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