Frustrated

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Nilsen
I dont fly at those hours so you could very well have a point there.

I do

Sadly I don't have a feasible idea  how to change that. With current 2 LW arena system there will always be one or points each day where such symptoms occur. And it has been already adjusted, it has been much worse

[halcyon]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
being one who doesn't like changing countries

Originally posted by Platano
Theres your problem Bud...

Wrong, he shouldn't have to do that.

This isn't his problem at all, it's HiTech's and the way they setup the arenas.
What if his squad is loyal to one country? He's going to switch and go against them?
No.

[The Fugitive]

Originally posted by halcyon
Wrong, he shouldn't have to do that.

This isn't his problem at all, it's HiTech's and the way they setup the arenas.
What if his squad is loyal to one country? He's going to switch and go against them?
No.

you keep forgetting...... its just a game !!! I almost never switch sides, not that I won't, I just almost never find it nessisary. Its easy enough to find some fun, don't resrict your options.

[hubsonfire]

Originally posted by BaldEagl

And BTW pr***, I never said "These attempts at balancing are nice and all, but I'd like them more if they didn't affect me whatsoever."  What I did try to say is that there must be a better way.

Originally posted by BaldEagl

I do however think there should be an accommodation to allow squads to fly together in whatever arena the most members are in and I think that forcing people to fly in the arena that they are hoarding in rather than the one that they are being gang raped in is just wrong.

 

Okay, yeah, I guess I misread the part where you ask for squads (since you're in one) to be exempt.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
So, being one who doesn't like changing countries, I was faced with the choices of milkrunning alone in EW, landgrabbing with a few others in MW or joining the hoard and flying planes I didn't really want to fly in my hour available in blue.

I understand the need to force people to balance the arenas.  I do however think there should be an accommodation to allow squads to fly together in whatever arena the most members are in and I think that forcing people to fly in the arena that they are hoarding in rather than the one that they are being gang raped in is just wrong.  What kind of balance is that?

I doubt you "understand" the need.  You've contradicted yourself in the span of one run-on sentence and the first sentence of the next paragraph.

[JB88]

we would need three late war arenas if there was ever going to be balance in that part of the force.  not that the arena situation would suck much less mind you, but i would bring balance.

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by JB88
we would need three late war arenas if there was ever going to be balance in that part of the force.  not that the arena situation would suck much less mind you, but i would bring balance.

3 MA arenas would be great! One for each chesspiece so milkrunning could be made safer and more effective.

[BaldEagl]

Originally posted by Harp00n
Press "Quit" then "Online Game"...after several tries the player limit will be upped. Never had a problem to join an overcrowded server after doing this for more than a minute.

I always thought that was the case too but the other night I did this for 30 minutes to no avail.  In fact, recently it never seems to work.

[BaldEagl]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
I doubt you "understand" the need.  You've contradicted yourself in the span of one run-on sentence and the first sentence of the next paragraph.

That wasn't actually a contradiction.  No, I don't want to change countries but why can't I log into the arena where my country is severely outnumbered by each of the others?  Instead I'm forced to fly in the arena where my country outnumbers each other by 1.5 to 1 or go to EW/MW.



Here's an expansion of my idea posted above:  In addition to automatically assigning players to an arena to accomplish both country and arena balance also automatically assign them to a country on log-on to achieve balance.  As to squads you are automatically assigned to the arena and country where any other squad-mates already are.

This would help eliminate the Knight noob syndrome and help promote community.  You could then eliminate the ability to change countries as you'de be automatically assigned.  Also, the "spys" wouldn't be able to change countries and re-logging to do so would be a crap-shoot.

[Kev367th]

The current set-up definately has its problems, many of which were predicted a long time ago.
I also think it is going to get worse because of the start of 'squeaker season'.

One thing for definate, using ENY restrictions to encourage side swapping is an outstanding failure in the multiple arena setup.
What it has encouraged is arena hopping.

Unfortuneately I can't see an answer to it .

[edit]
Can usually get into the arena where the rest of the squad is, even if it takes 5-10 mins sometimes.

Had the same problem of I can get into the arena were country has numbers (and ENY'ed), but not into the one where we are outnumbered (other country(ies) are ENY'ed)

Was suggested a while ago if you want to go into an arena where your country is the lowest in numbers you should be able to by-pass the cap.

To make this work side switching may have to be disabled though (for obvious reasons.)

Still think we also need an auto-logoff after 30 minutes for inactive guys, they affect ENY for all countries irrespective if on the high/low countries.
An example -
A few early mornings ago I switched to Knits so I could hit Rooks.
Including me Knits had 6 players v 14+ for each of the other two.
After a while Knits had dwindled to 4 players, other two countries to around 10 players.
Out of those 4 only 2, me and MakoShark were 'active'.
So although it was by numbers 4 v 10 v 10, in reality it was 2 v 10 v10, of course out of the 10 how many where actually there I don't know.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Kev367th

One thing for definate, using ENY restrictions to encourage side swapping is an outstanding failure in the multiple arena setup.

I doubt it was ever expected of ENY limits being able to do that. Most people were and are associated to a specific country.
However, the main aim of ENY (well, at least as I understand it) it's to restict one sides capabilty of having both overwhelming numbers and still flying late-war monsters, thus leveling playground a bit more.

[Masherbrum]

If you choose to not switch, then there is no argument.

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by Lusche
I doubt it was ever expected of ENY limits being able to do that. Most people were and are associated to a specific country.
However, the main aim of ENY (well, at least as I understand it) it's to restict one sides capabilty of having both overwhelming numbers and still flying late-war monsters, thus leveling playground a bit more.

Actually yes it was 'supposed' to encourage side switching, check back through some of the earlier threads.

As has been pointed out - A hoard, is a hoard, is a hoard, doesn't matter what they are flying.
It may delay a reset if they are in earlier planes, it won't stop it.

I just keep thinking there has to be a better way, but as of now, I can't think of one.

[edit]
Should add - 40% rule and uncaptureable fields:
Was supposed to discourage the 'gangbang' - Well thats worked, NOT.

[Shuffler]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
So far this camp I've gotten to fly with my squad twice.  Twice in 13 days.

My squad is  usually in the orange arena.  Every night when I log on Orange is overfilled (usually by almost 100 people) so I end up flying alone in Blue.  Could I ask everyone to come to Blue?  Sure, but if they like flying in Orange great, so I usually just give them a and go about playing in blue.  Sometimes they'll come over.  Sometimes I just don't even bother with the so they won't feel obligated.

Tonight I logged on and actualy was able to get into Orange.  No squad (I logged on pretty late).  Orange was being devistated by Knights and Rooks so I went to blue seeking a little more balance.  Blue was being devestated by our country (Bish) and ENY was over 20 so, I thought I'd go back to orange to help out.  Overfilled.  Couldn't get in.  So I ended up playing in MW.  Not many people, the ones that were there were mostly land grabbing and none of the planes I wanted to fly tonight were available to me (in either EW, MW or blue due to ENY).

So, being one who doesn't like changing countries, I was faced with the choices of milkrunning alone in EW, landgrabbing with a few others in MW or joining the hoard and flying planes I didn't really want to fly in my hour available in blue.

I understand the need to force people to balance the arenas.  I do however think there should be an accommodation to allow squads to fly together in whatever arena the most members are in and I think that forcing people to fly in the arena that they are hoarding in rather than the one that they are being gang raped in is just wrong.  What kind of balance is that?

Had I been able to see the map names, player balances and territory balances before log-in, knowing none of my squaddies were up, I would have gone to and remained in orange.  As it is, the only way I can make a decision as to which arena I want to fly in is to go into each one and look, in which time the one I end up wanting to fly in might be filled as was the case tonight.

I don't know what the answers are given the current state of affairs but I suspect if nothings done this will get worse over the summer as squeaker season opens.

Forgive this post as I know this has been beat to death but I'm just frustrated, not by how I've been doing in the game, but by the limitations being placed on me to even try to play the game.

Gee after saying all that AGAIN..... you didn't tell HOW to fix it.
Just another post with no substance.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Kev367th
Actually yes it was 'supposed' to encourage side switching, check back through some of the earlier threads.

^
I completely agree that the ENY limit was also suppose to encourage side switching - but only that: encourage, not to completey level the numbers.

When people do claim ENY doesnt work because sides are still uneven in numbers - that's what I was referring to.