Author Topic: Slower bombers! (Read 1437 times)

Bodhi · « **Reply #30 on:** May 20, 2007, 06:05:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
P.S. The B-25 is a mid war plane. The C model was one of the fastest B-25 variants, also. It's not slow, nor can it sub for anything in the 1940/1941/1942 years. It's pretty much a 1943/later plane. And yes I very much would like to have the B-25, it just won't help at all in the above situations.

Honestly, I do not see how you can call the B-25 a "midwar" aircraft. Sure, the J's finally arrived in '43, but the US started shipping B-25B's to England in 1940. They also shipped 162 B-25C-5's to the Netherlands in early '42, not including additional shipments to England.

By the end of '42, the US had produced well over 3000 B-25's, with the vast majority being exported overseas.

I am curious why you call it a "midwar" aircraft?

I used the source, " B-25 Mitchell" by Steve Pace, which I feel is a phenomenal reference on the B-25 as source for these delivery schedules.

I do agree however, that it would be nice to see more "early war" bombers like the Mitchell, most especially the He-111 and Do-17.

Tilt · « **Reply #31 on:** May 21, 2007, 06:11:43 AM »

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Originally posted by Bodhi
They also shipped 162 B-25C-5's to the Netherlands in early '42,

German occupied Netherlands? or Indonesia?

Bodhi · « **Reply #32 on:** May 21, 2007, 08:47:30 AM »

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Originally posted by Tilt
German occupied Netherlands? or Indonesia?

Does not specify, so I would assume that they went to the Pacific.

Krusty · « **Reply #33 on:** May 21, 2007, 10:00:47 AM »

Just for clarification:

I say the B-25 is a midwar plane because even if we had the early C model, and we used it in scenarios or setups, it would simply be a better, faster, Boston III (which we still really can't use in early setups very well!).

The main request is a representative "early" bomber so that we can put it in a scenario and not have it out-run most of the fighters from the same time frame. B-25 has the speed and payload that (even if we had it) it couldn't sub for much else other than a B-25.

Not saying the B-25 isn't useful as itself, but it wouldn't sub for anything in the 1939-1942 range very well.

frank3 · « **Reply #34 on:** May 21, 2007, 10:53:41 AM »

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Originally posted by Bodhi
Does not specify, so I would assume that they went to the Pacific.

The B-25's went to Indonesia, not sure how many we had over there though

Bodhi · « **Reply #35 on:** May 21, 2007, 05:20:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Just for clarification:

I say the B-25 is a midwar plane because even if we had the early C model, and we used it in scenarios or setups, it would simply be a better, faster, Boston III (which we still really can't use in early setups very well!).

The main request is a representative "early" bomber so that we can put it in a scenario and not have it out-run most of the fighters from the same time frame. B-25 has the speed and payload that (even if we had it) it couldn't sub for much else other than a B-25.

Not saying the B-25 isn't useful as itself, but it wouldn't sub for anything in the 1939-1942 range very well.

The only thing is Krusty, it did serve in the early war. Subbing for anything is not a reason the aircraft should not be considered early.

Krusty · « **Reply #36 on:** May 21, 2007, 05:29:56 PM »

Original post was for something that could sub for more early war bombers (including 1940 and 1941 as well as 1942). It's likely we'll get an H or J model. Assuming we had a C, we still can't use the B-25 to sub for a Betty. Nor a Blenheim. Nor a Heinkel 111. Nor a Hampden.

Again, that's why it wasn't on the list. That's all.

Bodhi · « **Reply #37 on:** May 21, 2007, 06:30:39 PM »

fair enough. And Yes, I would like to see some older buffs in game. Would make scenarios all the more fun.