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« Reply #195 on: November 03, 2007, 06:23:07 AM »
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« Reply #196 on: November 03, 2007, 06:28:34 AM »
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why?  

he never ran to ack and at least on one ocassion dove into a swarm of P40s alone in real life.  

he had his wingman fly above the fight and relay via radio the relative positions of approaching P40s and not actually be in the fight.  

all I see you do is dive two or better v one.  when your pals get whacked then you run to ack and this is a game.

by me observing your style of game play first hand it seems to me that there would be more admiration of the late war pony horders and not hajo.


Sorry you miss the point. I'm way too busy today to take time reading the boards, but I promise to get back to you on this at a later time.

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German Ace Nowotny
« Reply #197 on: November 04, 2007, 04:36:21 PM »


World War II
Walter "Nowi" Nowotny (December 7, 1920 – November 8, 1944) was an Austrian-born German fighter ace of World War II with 258 confirmed victories in 442 missions, 255 victories over Russian pilots
Flying a Messerschmitt Bf 109 he shot down his first two enemy aircraft (both Polikarpov I-153 biplanes) over Saaremaa on July 19, 1941, and was shot down the same day by Alexandr Avdeev and spent three days in a dinghy in the Gulf of Riga. At year's end he was credited with ten victories.

In 1942, Nowotny continued to increase his successes, shooting down five aircraft on a single day in July and seven on 2 August. He was shot down again on 11 August and sustained moderate injuries in a crash-landing. In September, he was awarded the Ritterkreuz, having achieved 56 victories. He was made Staffelkapitän of 1./JG 54 on 25 October.

In January 1943, JG 54 started converting to the Focke-Wulf 190 fighter. With the new aircraft "Nowi" scored at an unprecedented rate, often averaging more than two planes a day for weeks on end. He scored his 75th victory in March and his 100th in June — shooting down forty-one aircraft that month. In August, he was promoted to Oberleutnant, made Gruppenkommandeur of I./JG 54, and shot down forty-nine aircraft. On 1 September, he scored ten victories in two sorties. He claimed his 200th victory on 8 September and had Eichenlaub added to his Knight's Cross, was promoted to Hauptmann and had the Schwerter added a few weeks later.

On 14 October 1943, Nowotny became the first pilot ever to reach 250 victories, and his Knight's Cross was augmented with diamonds (the Brillanten). He was the eighth recipient of the Knight's Cross with Oakleaves, Swords, and Diamonds, and was withdrawn from combat and given a long series of propaganda activities. He had shot down 255 enemy aircraft: 196 in 1943 alone.

Death
Nowotny was Geschwaderkommodore of JG 101, a training unit, from April 1944. In September 1944, he was made commander of the specialist unit dubbed Kommando Nowotny, flying the new Messerschmitt Me 262 out of airfields near Osnabrück. The unit had not only the enemy to contend with, they also had to work through the "teething" phase of the Me 262 and also develop the tactics appropriate for a Jet unit. Nowotny had achieved three victories in his temperamental aircraft (two B-24s and a P-51) before he was killed in a crash following his Me 262 being shot down by USAAF Capt. Ernest Fiebelkorn (20th Fighter Group) and 1st Lt. Edward "Buddy" Haydon (357th Fighter Group) east of Hesepe. His Me 262 A-1a (W.Nr. 110 400) “White 8” was seen to dive vertically out of the clouds and crash at Epe, 2.5 kilometres east of Hesepe

Walter Nowotny was buried at the Zentralfriedhof in Vienna in a grave of honor sponsored by the city of Vienna. After a long public debate, provoked by the Austrian Green Party, who declared Nowotny as a killer, the Vienna Landtag passed a resolution supported by Social Democrats and Greens to remove the status of honor in 2004, which means that only the designation grave of honor has been withdrawn and the maintenance is no more due to the municipality, yet neither his tombstone nor his remains have been relocated. But this only, for his grave is a war grave and may not be removed by law. The Greens wanted to have him exhumed by all means

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« Reply #198 on: November 04, 2007, 04:44:25 PM »
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« Reply #200 on: November 04, 2007, 09:51:11 PM »
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« Reply #201 on: November 04, 2007, 10:38:38 PM »
Only the live ones..the rest I look down to.

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« Reply #202 on: November 04, 2007, 10:42:03 PM »
Ouch. Why would you say that?

Just because one guy dies doesn't mean he's cowardly. They were boys doing their jobs.
In effect everyone pretty much killed the other guy.
So you'll look up to the guys who killed themselves to kill others?

We'll idolize these aces for being brave regardless of what they did, since courage is what they showed. But what's courage? Does it always involve death?

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« Reply #203 on: November 04, 2007, 10:48:48 PM »
I think FiLtH was alluding to paying respects to the grave and it's respective altitude to him. I think I know him well enough to give that BOTD. :)

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« Reply #204 on: November 04, 2007, 11:45:09 PM »
Bingo Arlo

   Gotta be careful how I word stuff I guess :)

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« Reply #205 on: November 05, 2007, 12:30:45 AM »
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Not an ace...but Lt. Gen. James Stewart is probably one of my great heroes for his consistent sense of duty, honor, and integrity.

Had a long family tradition of military service to his county, and tried repeatedly to get into the Army Air Corps -- starting over a year before Pearl. Finally had to sneak past the weight requirement to enlist, on his 3rd try. His pay dropped from $72,000 per year to $260 per year. Despite his Hollywood fame, the only time he pulled strings was to make sure he was assigned to combat status rather than serving as a stateside B-17 pilot instructor (his initial assignment).  Contrast that with Bob Hope, whose rear area entertainment got way more attention, and who made a joke out of not enlisting -- "Hey, that's dangerous! I might get hurt! (Nothing against Bob Hope, an icon in his own right. Just meaning to contrast the choices available to Stewart.)

He served as operations officer of the 445th bomb group, and then its commander. He was moved to the new 453rd BG to help iron out some difficulties there, and later rose to be chief of staff for the entire wing. He flew 20 combat missions, in time spans that were simply the most lethal for pilots in US history: statistically speaking, in those days you shouldnt have been able to make it to the 25 mission tour goal.

He was awarded The DFC, the Croix de Guerre, and 7 air medals. He remained active in the reserves and continued to serve in executive roles in the Air Force until mandatory retirement age.

But best of all, he never capitalized on his war record. He put clauses in post war movie contracts prohibiting studios from even mentioning it. He didnt talk much about his service, and redirected attention to those who served without fame -- and those who didnt make it home.

He honestly felt he only did his duty. That's the kind of integrity and honor that's worth idolizing.


funny how times change.....stewart did his duty...along with other famous people back then......but look at them now....all finding excuses to not do it........sad.....
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« Reply #206 on: November 05, 2007, 12:32:26 AM »
douglas bader......22 kills in his hurricane...., with both legs amputated. not only this, but he never used crutches or a walking stick to re-learn to walk.
 he suffered a collision with a messerschmidt, and was captured, and a pow till the end of the war......he also led the victory fly over of london when the war was over...........
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« Reply #207 on: November 05, 2007, 12:12:06 PM »
all of them

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« Reply #208 on: November 05, 2007, 04:08:23 PM »
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As I said before Lang is my faverit, but if it as american Richard Ira Bong is it.


or Tommy McGuire:aok
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Re: Gone but not Forgotten
« Reply #209 on: November 05, 2007, 04:10:15 PM »
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Those I look the most toward wouldn't be easily recognizable by some, except you few who know me well but I will go with:

Otto Kittel. Eastern Front, 267 confirmed victories.  He made it all the way to Feb. of '45.  Somewhere around the 16th of that month he took on a group of (8) IL2's.  His FW190 A8 took fire, burst into flames and he was gone.


hhmm......Erik Hartmann.........352 kills, and made it to the mid 80's?
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