computer deal

[rod367th]

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=3163629&sku=I69-2146%20H&CMP=EMC-TIGEREMAIL&SRCCODE=WEM1379IP




 2 gig memory 6200 256mb card  anyone can build a computer easy to put together

[MOIL]

Not a bad deal at all.  Nice find Rod  (yer still a dolt)

[Max]

Can't beat the price but the integrated vid card suggests it may not be much of a gaming rig. Yes? No?

[Skuzzy]

No dedicated video RAM, using regular system RAM for vide data (4 times slower than dedicated video RAM), along with a $2 video chip which uses software to allocate/deallocate memory from/to system RAM is not a good deal for any type of gaming at all.

To compound it further it is using incredibly slow 533Mhz DDR2 RAM (due to latencies this RAM will be much slower than 200Mhz DDR1 memory), instead of 800Mhz DDR2 RAM (thisis alomst the same speed as 200Mhz DDR1 memory).

It also uses the incredibly poor Intel Prescott CPU.  Too hot, too much power, and slow.  It has the Intel 945 chipset which does not support the Core Duo family of CPU's, so there is no upgrade path either.

I did not see any OS listed, but I just briefly went through it.  If it is Vista, then using an NVidia video card makes this system flaky as NVidia is having mass issues with its Vista drivers and the sharing of system RAM.

A good word processor, at best.

[Max]

Well, there ya have it

[Sweet2th]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
No dedicated video RAM, using regular system RAM for vide data (4 times slower than dedicated video RAM), along with a $2 video chip which uses software to allocate/deallocate memory from/to system RAM is not a good deal for any type of gaming at all.

To compound it further it is using incredibly slow 533Mhz DDR2 RAM (due to latencies this RAM will be much slower than 200Mhz DDR1 memory), instead of 800Mhz DDR2 RAM (thisis alomst the same speed as 200Mhz DDR1 memory).

It also uses the incredibly poor Intel Prescott CPU.  Too hot, too much power, and slow.  It has the Intel 945 chipset which does not support the Core Duo family of CPU's, so there is no upgrade path either.

I did not see any OS listed, but I just briefly went through it.  If it is Vista, then using an NVidia video card makes this system flaky as NVidia is having mass issues with its Vista drivers and the sharing of system RAM.

A good word processor, at best.

You think you have one of the best and then you talk to Roy and find out the cold truth.LMAO he always keeps it real!

[Krusty]

Doing a search for the motherboard found that it supports C2D, but only allows up to 800MHz FSB (533/800), which leaves you the low-end crappy versions of the C2D. It has an Intel integrated chip, but the combo said a GeForce 6200, so I'm guessing they stuck something into the PCIe x16 slot, only the 6200 still isn't that great for gaming (stripped down budget card! Danger Will Robinson!). EDIT: Even worse, here's the description: "XFX GeForce 6200 TurboCache 64MB GDDR2 video card that supports 256MB" -- meaning it's a 64MB card. Pure crap.

Still not a good deal. Most folks think GeForce and over 1GB or RAM automatically makes it a gaming rig, which is how companies sell "bare bones" kits like that.

[rod367th]

Originally posted by Krusty
Doing a search for the motherboard found that it supports C2D, but only allows up to 800MHz FSB (533/800), which leaves you the low-end crappy versions of the C2D. It has an Intel integrated chip, but the combo said a GeForce 6200, so I'm guessing they stuck something into the PCIe x16 slot, only the 6200 still isn't that great for gaming (stripped down budget card! Danger Will Robinson!). EDIT: Even worse, here's the description: "XFX GeForce 6200 TurboCache 64MB GDDR2 video card that supports 256MB" -- meaning it's a 64MB card. Pure crap.

Still not a good deal. Most folks think GeForce and over 1GB or RAM automatically makes it a gaming rig, which is how companies sell "bare bones" kits like that.

.heard too many in game saying can afford 1 to 2k for computer for game. Thought under 400, would fit about 705 of players budgets. know of alot players using p3's or worst systems posted for those getting by notthose able to buy wish and dream systems lol.



 And my boys is built system 1gig memeory and p4 2.8  less system than this one and he had no problem playing game find after tweaks.

[Krusty]

Sure.. but that begs the question, what mobo was he using? What speed was the ram? How fast was the FSB on his 2.4GHz Pentium 4?

I'm betting they were all better than this combo deal.

It's a noble goal, but the "bare bones" kits are just an excuse to get rid of sub-standard parts. If you built a kit to the same specs (1GB Ram, Ge 6200, dual core CPU) you would get better performance than the boxed version, because your individual parts were just.... better.

For example, they've got what amounts to a $20 vid card in that thing. Hardly any better than the integrated chip, only it's got a name brand on it ("GeForce") so it sells better. Go out and get it yourself, and it'll cost a bit more, and peform like a real card.

A noble goal to help out, but the folks selling that stuff ought to be ashamed!

Edit: Yes, I am overreacting, just a bit

[Fulmar]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
No dedicated video RAM, using regular system RAM for vide data (4 times slower than dedicated video RAM), along with a $2 video chip which uses software to allocate/deallocate memory from/to system RAM is not a good deal for any type of gaming at all.

To compound it further it is using incredibly slow 533Mhz DDR2 RAM (due to latencies this RAM will be much slower than 200Mhz DDR1 memory), instead of 800Mhz DDR2 RAM (thisis alomst the same speed as 200Mhz DDR1 memory).

It also uses the incredibly poor Intel Prescott CPU.  Too hot, too much power, and slow.  It has the Intel 945 chipset which does not support the Core Duo family of CPU's, so there is no upgrade path either.

I did not see any OS listed, but I just briefly went through it.  If it is Vista, then using an NVidia video card makes this system flaky as NVidia is having mass issues with its Vista drivers and the sharing of system RAM.

A good word processor, at best.

Skuzzy hit it pretty much dead on the head.  The 945 chipset upon release was Intel's low end chipset.  No CD or C2D support is a big drag.  However, I will disagree with the DDR2 speed.  Even if the he had a C2D with the 1066mhz FSB, the 533 DDR2 would work nearly the same as the 800mhz (performance wise) unless he was planning to overclock the CPU, thats a whole nother ball game.  There's a fair number of reviews on the difference in performance over 533mhz vs 667mhz vs 800mhz on stock CPU's with a FSB of 1066mhz.

[Max]

Originally posted by rod367th
.heard too many in game saying can afford 1 to 2k for computer for game. Thought under 400, would fit about 705 of players budgets. know of alot players using p3's or worst systems posted for those getting by notthose able to buy wish and dream systems lol.



 And my boys is built system 1gig memeory and p4 2.8  less system than this one and he had no problem playing game find after tweaks.

 Huh???

[Skuzzy]

Originally posted by Fulmar
Skuzzy hit it pretty much dead on the head.  The 945 chipset upon release was Intel's low end chipset.  No CD or C2D support is a big drag.  However, I will disagree with the DDR2 speed.  Even if the he had a C2D with the 1066mhz FSB, the 533 DDR2 would work nearly the same as the 800mhz (performance wise) unless he was planning to overclock the CPU, thats a whole nother ball game.  There's a fair number of reviews on the difference in performance over 533mhz vs 667mhz vs 800mhz on stock CPU's with a FSB of 1066mhz.

I have PC6400 DDR2 RAM in my work computer and at home I have PC3200 DDR1 RAM.  On pure memory performance, my home system (PC3200) is about 5% faster than the work system.  The latencies on the PC6400 RAM is about 4 times higher than on the PC3200 RAM I have.

It is all about latencies and you can bet this particular system is not using high performance RAM,  Plus the 945 memory controller is a dog.