Now I feel sorry for her

[Sandman]

Thanks Guppy.

I appreciate the insight and I hope I never have to walk in your shoes.

[Tango]

Originally posted by Guppy35
And as I've said often this thread.  I hope you never know what it's like.  But please don't judge her too harshly.  If you knew what it was like, you'd probably be a lot slower to bash her.

However there are parents that have lost sons and daughters in the war who have the complete opposite opinions as her. She simply wants to blame Bush for her son deciding to serve his coutry.

[rpm]

Originally posted by Tango
However there are parents that have lost sons and daughters in the war who have the complete opposite opinions as her. She simply wants to blame Bush for her son deciding to serve his coutry.

Thank God we have clairvoyants on this board.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Tango
However there are parents that have lost sons and daughters in the war who have the complete opposite opinions as her. She simply wants to blame Bush for her son deciding to serve his coutry.

And as I said, she's looking for someone to blame because she's lost her son.  Bush is a very visible target.  It comes with the job.  It doesn't mean it's rational.  I sit in a room full of parents who've lost kids and we all react differently.  There is no set way to deal with that pain.  It doesn't mean anyone's way is correct.

But what do you do with that anger?  I keep looking for someone to blame for my kids dying.  My wife's cause is to get a light at the intersection where they died.  She's pestered folks a lot about it.  It won't bring the kids back, but it might save someone elses.  I'm sure they see her as a pain in the bellybutton for the letters and phone calls.  It's so hard to watch her in that pain.  It's 21 months yesterday, and it's probably 3 nights a week I wake up to the bed shuddering from her sobs for her kids.  All the therapy, meds etc in the world, can't change the ultimate result, in that her babies are gone.

I'd like to blame my son's girlfriend.  She was a basket case to begin with and he thought he could 'save' her.  Suicidal at times and a real drama queen.  They weren't where they were supposed to be.  They should have been home.  Of the three in the car, she walked away, while my two kids died.  Is it her fault?  No.  Andrew was old enough to decide for himself.  It doesn't mean that there aren't times where I can't stand the thought that this kid who wanted to die, lived and my kids died.  It was no doubt her influence on my boy that had them not home when they should have had Christina home two hours before the accident and they were still 3 hours from home when they died.

You keep trying to make Sheehan's reaction something that makes sense.  To me, all I see is a mom who tried desperately to keep her kid alive or maybe have her efforts bring him home somehow.  And now she's hit the point where she knows that no matter what she does, he's still dead and never coming home.  No amount of stomping, screaming, blaming will change that.

I know my son missed the stop sign and he and his sister died because of it.  I know it was his choice to go that route.  It doesn't change those moments of anger and hopelessness that are there every day

Is Ms Sheehan responsible for what she does?  Absolutely.  Do you think that anything you could say or do to her would ever hurt her as much as she's been hurt already?  Not a chance.

That's why those of us in that spot would make good subjects for suicide missions.  It's not that we want to die.  It's that there is nothing that could happen worse then what's already happened, so that fear or worry about what others think or do, just doesn't matter and just isn't there.  Dying would be a relief in some ways.

It's a weird way to live, let me tell ya.

[yanksfan]

I don't often read this area of the forums. And I really don't like to get into anything so deep and heavy as this. But haveing read the comments posted here and the subject matter and the opinions of so many I feel compeled to add a word.

 You may not like what I have to say, you may not like me for having said it, so be it, you may think me disloyal I can live with that, but as an american as a former soldier as a patriot, I will say whats on my mind,I will raise my voice when told otherwise I will protest, I will bang my drum, I will ask questions no one wants to answer, i will demand my right to speak,I will not ask for it, I will take it!

 I will force all of you to look at the truth from my point of veiw and I will never be silent, I'll never give you a moments rest from my voice, I will be heard! I will be the decenting voice.

I will listen, I will learn, I will incourage you to say whats on your mind, no matter how far out your point of veiw may be! I will try to understand, I will be tolerant, I will be thoughtful to your feelings and your experiences. I will remember what it was they fought for, what they fight for, what battles may lay in wait for them. And I will never forget them, or their sacrifice, their fear, their pain, their deaths. And I will never let you either!

This is why I can say what I like when I like and to whom I like
Without fear, Without reprisal, Free to be an American, a former soldier and a patriot.

[Ripsnort]

She's a quitter. Plain and simple. Liberals do alot of that, quitting. They're not tough enough. They like to blame others for their problems.

She quit on her marriage, she quit on her politics, and we'll probably read about her on page 5 of the paper next year, DUI or something like that.

Remember...this is a woman who said she'd never quit...so she's not only a quitter, she's a liar too.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55293

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
She's a quitter. Plain and simple. Liberals do alot of that, quitting. They're not tough enough. They like to blame others for their problems.

She quit on her marriage, she quit on her politics, and we'll probably read about her on page 5 of the paper next year, DUI or something like that.

Remember...this is a woman who said she'd never quit...so she's not only a quitter, she's a liar too.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55293

LOL, amazing.  I quit too.  I said my piece.  You made up your mind long ago.  It's always good to know that things are so black and white out there with simple answers for simple minds.

[rpm]

Easy for Rip to criticise someone who lost a child in the military. He's never been in it and will spend whatever it takes to keep his kids out.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by rpm
Easy for Rip to criticise someone who lost a child in the military. He's never been in it and will spend whatever it takes to keep his kids out.

Wow. Big words for a old fat fart like yourself.  Real "classy" bringing my kids in it, dipchit.

[Sandman]

Cool... I'm already in before the lock.

Thanks for playing.

[rpm]

That's what we're talking about here, kids dying and parents grief. But, you won't have to worry. And you can call me "veteran" Rip.

[VOR]

It's starting to sound like Capitol Hill in here.

LOL.

[Yeager]

It's a weird way to live, let me tell ya.
====
Life is like a box of chocolates........

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by rpm
That's what we're talking about here, kids dying and parents grief. But, you won't have to worry. And you can call me "veteran" Rip.

The arrogance level begins to really stink when you play the "I'm a Vet, you haven't served" card.  Unbelievable. I thought you were more educated than that but apparently I was wrong.

[lazs2]

I have not lost a son but I have lost a brother and I have lost other relatives and friends.   I understand the need to blame.

That is not the point tho.   Lots of people have lost sons in lots of wars.  Her husband for one.

They did not go insane as she did and say that the country was not worth fighting for.  that the commies are right and we are wrong.

When I heard her I always thought that she was not only making a fool of herself but that she was doing the memory of her son a grave disservice.

lazs