American Tax Payers to Fund Racist LA RAZA

[Sandman]

As an Anglo-American, I am offended.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
So to what race does La Raza refer in it's name?

You'll have to ask them.

EDIT... no, they've already answered this question.

The term “La Raza” has its origins in early 20th century Latin American literature and translates into English most closely as “the people,” or, according to some scholars, “the Hispanic people of the New World.” The term was coined by Mexican scholar José Vasconcelos to reflect the fact that the people of Latin America are a mixture of many of the world’s races, cultures, and religions. Some people have mistranslated “La Raza” to mean “The Race,” implying that it is a term meant to exclude others. In fact, the full term coined by Vasconcelos, “La Raza Cósmica,” meaning the “cosmic people,” was developed to reflect not purity but the mixture inherent in the Hispanic people. This is an inclusive concept, meaning that Hispanics share with all other peoples of the world a common heritage and destiny.

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[Sandman]

Originally posted by Shifty
And all this time I thought our taxes went to making life safer and better for Americans.

It's my hope that our taxes can continue to make life safer and better for Iraqis and other people suffering from oppressive governments.

/sarcasm

[Xargos]

Originally posted by Sandman
As an Anglo-American, I am offended.

You don't like England?  England came from the word Angloland.  But the Anglo, Saxon and Jute were from Scandinavia before they invaded England.  King Arthur was Celtic, and was defending the island from the Scandinavian invaders.

The Celt were originally from Gaul (France), but the Romans forced them to the Island which was inhabited by Briton and Pict.

The Britons were thin and tall with dark hair and blue eyes.  The Pict were short and stocky with dark hair and dark eyes (the word Pict meant tattooed people).  The Celt, Roman and Briton forced the Pict into Scotland.

P.S.  I am of Celtic and Apache descent, but I am %100 American.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Sandman
You'll have to ask them.

EDIT... no, they've already answered this question.



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And here is an excellent short essay from a professor at UCLA.

What does "Raza" mean and where does it come from?


It has often been said that the practice of Chicanos to refer to the overall Mexican American population as "Raza" is inherently racist. This is because the translation of this term into English removes its philosophical baggage and makes it look as if Mexican Americans are the race, similarly to Nazi claims that the "Arian" was the race that should inherit Earth.

Understanding how this term originated is important to know its meaning. One must be aware that the term is originally from México and it was first promoted by José Vasconcelos, a respected and venerated Mexican intellectual (1881-1959). It was given shape in his book La Raza Cósmica (1948) and it was introduced as a response, based on "scientific" evidence then available as well as Catholic theology. I have translated parts of the prologue of the second edition and parts of the first chapter where the philosophy is defined.

In the early 1900's Mexican intellectuals were trying to come up with an identity for the Mexican people during a time of social upheaval. This social change was being fueled by two revolutionary changes in thought: Marx and Engels "Das Kapital" and C. Darwin's "Theory of Evolution of the Species." The first one challenged the position of the moneyed class (whether old or new money) while the second challenged the position of mankind itself in the general scheme of things and went against biblical teaching.

The most successful of them, José Vasconcelos, came up with a kooky concept where he claimed that the indigenous people of America had had their day in the sun but their mixture with the "better" Europeans gave rise to a new race, the mestizo. (In those days, it was common to divide Homo Sapiens into four races: Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid, and Amerindian. Thrown as evidence, he cited the lost continent of Atlantis.) He called this new race "La raza Cósmica" and argued that it would be the one that would show "the way" to the rest of the world. It is a very catchy and feel-good concept. Over the years, that concept was semi-officially promoted by the Mexican government to give "atole con el dedo" to the population (that is where the custom of calling "Día de la Raza" to "Columbus Day" came from).

The concept was also taken by the Chicano activists (some founded "La Raza Unida Party," go see the PBS series "Chicano" for more information. A good bibliography can be found in its Web site.) but I don't think that any of them had bothered to read Vasconcelos' book. To this day, there are some who worship this concept together with the very nice slogan that Vasconcelos devised for the Universidad Autónoma Nacional de México (he was one of the co-founder of this most recent incarnation of the oldest University in the Americas): "Por mi Raza hablará el Espiritú." Given Vasconcelos' zeal for the Catholic religion, it would not surprise me that he had in mind the Spirit that is part of the Holy Trinity.

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Here is another article that expands on what Sandman had posted.

Is The Phrase "La Raza" Racist?


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[john9001]

Latinos are not racist, they just don't like Anglos.

[Xargos]

Latinos are not racist, they just don't like Anglos.

Anglos had blonde hair and brown eyes.  So if your a Caucasian with blue eyes, or have brown hair, your alright?

[Holden McGroin]

Spanish Translation of raza

f.
(de personas) race, ancestry
(de los animales) breed

Idioms:

de pura raza
(caballos) thoroughbred
(perros) pedigreed

La raza
Mexicans or Mexican Americans (as a group)

Spanish Translation of People:

(nation) pueblo
the American people: el pueblo norteamericano

(persons) gente f.
country people: gente del campo

(in definite numbers) personas
only about ten people came: sólo vinieron unas diez personas

(citizens) ciudadanos

(subordinates) gente, empleados
 
(inhabitants) gente, personas, habitantes m.
a city with several million people: una ciudad de varios millones de habitantes

(family) familia

(ancestors) antepasados

(human beings) personas, seres humanos
they're people, not animals: son personas, no bestias

(beings) seres m.
the furry little people of the woods: los pequeños seres peludos del bosque

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The term Raza means Race.

Are there races in the human species? After all, the characteristics of most animal races are strictly genetic, while human races have been marked by nongenetic, cultural attributes that have very much affected their overt characteristics. Performance in human activities is influenced not only by the genotype but also by culturally acquired attitudes  -- Ernst Mayer 2002  

The term raza translates as race, not people: race is not specifically genetic.

[Gunthr]

The National Council of La Raza (NCLR) –  is the largest national Hispanic civil rights and advocacy organization in the United States – works to improve opportunities for Hispanic Americans.

isn't this org quite a bit like the NAACP?


its pretty contorted reasoning to say that in 2007,  "La Raza" means "a cosmic mixture of many races" when they advocate for Hispanics only.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Gunthr

its pretty contorted reasoning to say that in 2007,  "La Raza" means "a cosmic mixture of many races" when they advocate for Hispanics only.

Hispanics may be of ANY race.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Sandman
The government says so, so it is.

[john9001]

Originally posted by Sandman
Hispanics may be of ANY race

so i can be a Hispanic?  oh boy, now i can get that govt grant to start my business.

[Mr No Name]

My Feelings On This:

[Gunthr]

its pretty contorted reasoning to say that in 2007, "La Raza" means "a cosmic mixture of many races" when they advocate for Hispanics only.
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Hispanics may be of ANY race. - Sandman

i understand the distinction btw the terms, Sandman.   However, the name of the oganization is not "The Any Race".   The name they chose for themselves is "The Race."  And they advocate for only one group: Hispanics.

 they are just like the NAACP, which advocates for only one group.  (dont try to tell me that the NAACP is made up of the black race, or i will filet you like a cheap cut of chinese dogmeat, starting with that shoulder)  

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by john9001
so i can be a Hispanic?  oh boy, now i can get that govt grant to start my business.

Unless you're from a country or ethnic backround that has a Spanish culture, you don't qualify.


Hispanic: Persons of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Central or South American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race.

Hispanic is also not a race but an ethnic backround.  As Sandman pointed out, Hispanics can be of many races.  There are Hispanics that are black, Asian and caucasion.

I think Richard L. Vasquez said it best when he wrote in his essay:

When La Raza is mentioned, it speaks of the fact that my children can have blue or brown eyes, thin or wide eyes, pale skin or the darkest skin. The hair may vary from kinky to straight. We dance to the rhythms of many nations. La Raza is the first unique creation of the colonial Americas. It is about inclusion, not exclusion.

And as he also pointed out in his essay, any term can be misused by zealots and there are some movements within the Latino community that are guilty of this and preach seperation.  But they hardly speak for the majority of us, contrary to what most of you guys think.  


On the other hand, there is some irony in the term.  Back during the early part of the Spanish Conquista, "Por La Raza" was a termed used by the Church in its very harsh almost genocidal practices towards the native population.  The practices of slavery and force indoctrination into the Church was done "Por La Raza".  The systematic torture and killings by the Spaniards was done "Por La Raza".  


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