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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2007, 04:19:39 PM »
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auto/truck mechanics deserve much more pay, we keep the wheels rolling.


I agree...and Cross Country drivers... whatever it takes to keep America Strong!!!

We NOW help each other!

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« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2007, 04:32:23 PM »
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if New York, Washington, D.C., Las Vegas, Miami, Boston, Houston, and Los Angeles were to experience nukes at the same time or say within a week of one another, I do not think the US could survive. With the US falling into chaos as we imploded against ourselves, western civilization as we know it would quickly follow as the cheekboness would not stop with America - our allies would be targeted next. Radical Islam would win.


IF

If George Washington didn't cross the Delaware...
If Paul Revere didn't make that midnight ride...
If Francis Scott Key wasn't looking out as a Prisioner at Ft Sumner...
If Eiesenhower thought the weather was too bad for Normany...
If MacArthur never returned to Manilla...
If Kennedy thought we'd never make it to the Moon...
If Reagan thought the Wall would never come down....

Then where would America be right now?

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« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2007, 04:45:00 PM »
It is far beyond our time that America pulls itself up by the seat of the pants and says NO MORE!!!

We have our OWN sick and elderly...

We need to PROVIDE our own with health care...

We need to feed our OWN hungered masses...

We need to provide the EDUCATION to our own children...

We need to PROTECT our own Liberties and Freedoms.

Without this we will surely perish.

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« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2007, 05:04:16 PM »
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Would it be possible to aquire seven nuclear weapons, smuggle them into the US and detonate them?

What would be the result?  Could the total destruction of seven cities and 10 million Americans in a single moment bring down the federal government?  If so, what would the global impact be?

What should be the response to such an attack?


Answer to the first question IMHO is Yes. I can see them smuggleing in that many nuke devices.

Answer to the 2nd question is Yes as well...and we wouldn't retaliate in kind. You'd get that surge of patriotism and all for about a year...then as has been the case in that last few decades , the americans would lose thier will and start just like now to give up.

And finally...Yes to the goverment being smashed.

Global impact? We'd be no better off than some 3rd world start up democracy. China , and Europe would be the powers.

And finally.....I think this very scenario could play out in the next few years. Maybe not 7 nukes , but I can see 3 - 4. I think the terrorists have been and are continuing to make plans and if they haven't already to get nukes. I'll go so far as to say they prolly already have 1 or 2. No info to back up that claim...just a feeling.

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« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2007, 05:36:37 PM »
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Sounds like a great sci-fi read: Seven nuclear weapons detonating in seven American cities, hastening the end of western civilization.....

No talk about retaliation, who/what would you retaliate against?

Blatant fear mongering, maybe.


End of western civilization as we know it?  Probably.  

Look at all the fears and knee-jerk reactions following 9/11.  The Patriot Act.  The public support to invade Iraq (which people seem to forget they supported, or blame on being "lied" to...  another subject...).  The new procedures and practices put in place in the airline industry.... where babies and the elderly in walkers were serious threats to security.

Multiply that by 7 nuclear attacks in major cities.  Not to mention the radioactive fallout and EMP blast effects on modern technology.  The loss of most major media, entertainment, news,... server farms and nodal areas of the internet taken out... food sources contaminated.  Water sources contaminated.  Livestock dying.  Crops dying.

....or even just 2 high altitude blasts above the east and west coasts for the EMP effect.  Several hundred airliners crashing to the Earth all across the nation like random bombs.  The national power grid overloading and shutting down.  The loss of electronic information and many modern electronic enabled devices for over half the nation.

Add to that the resulting economic panic.  World wide depression.  Loss of political and economic leaders.  A huge power vacuum would result, with many tin-god despots ready to fill the void for their own gain.  Looting.  Price gouging.  Hording.  The survivors and dying would overwhelm any hope of providing medical care.  Long term health effects.  Large portions of the population experiencing "shell shock" and thus rendered non-productive.

To try and regain control, you'd be looking at draconian measures on the part of surviving military and civilian government.  FEMA and National Guard efforts hampered due to equipment shortages and the loss of many of their members in the initial blasts.  A reluctance for people to work anywhere near the blast sites as part of the rescue effort.  Forced labor being a possible result, as well as conscription.  

Several of those cities mentioned are major ports, so international trade would be disrupted.  That means disruptions in food and energy supplies, and that is if a probably falling dollar against world currency could afford to buy anything.

I'm also betting such a ground strike would take out the national power grid altogether.  The grid is too fragile.... a house of cards in many respects... that much EMP at major sites would have a cascade effect from coast to coast.

If such an event happened during the winter, you'd have to add mass numbers of dead due to the cold.... lacking oil, gas, or electricity for heat.

Retaliation?  I think the need for proof under such a scenario goes out the window.  The need for vengeance would probably see judicious use of the nuclear stockpile against All the Usual Suspects.  

The United States military could keep it a world power under such a future, but I doubt the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and many of our freedoms would survive other than as part of official propaganda.   There would be just too many people calling to be protected at all costs, and accept what would come in the short term.

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« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2007, 05:59:45 PM »
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Answer to the first question IMHO is Yes. I can see them smuggleing in that many nuke devices.

Answer to the 2nd question is Yes as well...and we wouldn't retaliate in kind. You'd get that surge of patriotism and all for about a year...then as has been the case in that last few decades , the americans would lose thier will and start just like now to give up.

And finally...Yes to the goverment being smashed.

Global impact? We'd be no better off than some 3rd world start up democracy. China , and Europe would be the powers.

And finally.....I think this very scenario could play out in the next few years. Maybe not 7 nukes , but I can see 3 - 4. I think the terrorists have been and are continuing to make plans and if they haven't already to get nukes. I'll go so far as to say they prolly already have 1 or 2. No info to back up that claim...just a feeling.

It's not if.....only when.


Europe will never be a 1st World Power... Hell they can't decide on the Euro yet... Who will be a majority power in a combined Europe Nation?

France? LOL

Germany? LMAO

As if they trust each other.

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« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2007, 06:18:06 PM »
i don't think the Chinese would like 50% of their export market destroyed ( the USA), the Chinese are not "sensitive" like the Americans, to the Chinese, Mecca is not a holy site, it is a target.

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« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2007, 06:24:00 PM »
China will side up with the USA... Watch.

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« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2007, 08:01:39 PM »
I wonder what the war planners in the Pentagon have drawn up?  Surely they have created a detailed military response to a non-state religion-based nuclear terror attack against the US?  

I say destroy the religion, all its holy sites and all states that are founded on Islam and based in Sharia law.  Destroy that religion yes, but what about the after effects of the radiation?  Would probably require 35-50 nuclear detonations and kill 350-500 million humans in addition to the 15-20 million dead Americans.

Would this scenario be the apocalypse?
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« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2007, 08:32:28 PM »
AWMAC you have alot of good points, but we live in a land of sheeple,dumb downed americans who just follow the masses. Look at the Quality programming we now have on TV, all reality shows no wonder America is where it is

Our boarders are wide open letting in all the trash that crawls in, All our ecomonic systems are over burdened, we the Americans are over taxed and have to work 60 hour work weeks just to live semi-comfortable then the blood sucking taxmen takes 38% of that.

I live in Oregon where i get Wallet raped twice thru state and fed taxes every pay check, meanwhile i watch illegals protesting for Equal rights under our Constitution, The Feds had the perfect chance to round them all up and deport them, but guess what they didnt. Illegals have no rights in this country, ya need to be an American to have those (what little rights that we have left)

Ugh i need a Drink this gets me so riled up when i think of all the People who have fought for our country and died I'm glad there not here to see what has become,  :furious
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« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2007, 08:33:24 PM »
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China will side up with the USA... Watch.


Of course they will.  By some accounts, the Chinese own more of this country than Americans do.  China is a big time holder of our national debt, and has a sizable percentage of the banking and mortgages in America.
I don't think Ali Babba realizes that.

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Would this scenario be the apocalypse?
 


Cool!  I'll get my football gear and feathers out of storage!  Pound a few spikes through the end of my baseball bat, and I'm ready to roll!

Bring it!

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« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2007, 12:34:02 AM »
Russia is so afraid of the US siding with China. Putin is trying to raise Euro support to uphold his dieing Nation...

Who killed Russia?  

Not Brez..
Not Andropov...
Not Gorby...

Putin did.

And Russia knows he did... He lost control of his Country.

Mac

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« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2007, 12:55:52 AM »
Don't take this wrong..
But it scares me to think you put these two ideas in the same statement, and don't realize that freedom contradicts your idiocy of no separation of church and state.

Freedom is american.
Religious freedom is american.
No separation from church and state is as un-american as burning the flag.

You need to figure this one out.
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« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2007, 02:18:37 AM »
Seven nuclear bombs I highly doubt it.  I would have to say getting their hands on a old school Soviet Nuke is probably possible but I'd have a hard time beliving they could get seven.

Even if they did happen to get one would it still work? The Soviet Union broke up in 1991 that's 16 years ago. It's very unlikely that they made any new suitcase bombs after that. In fact any that are still around are probably 20 + years old.

So IMO probably the biggest reason they likely haven't gotten a hold of any nukes is simple because of their age. Even in the US the newest Nuclear weapons are 10 years old with a average age of 20 years.

Most of the terrorist nuclear threat is nothing more than fear mongering so our military contractors can make a bunch of money. I'd say at best they could build dirty bombs and launch a successful attack.

In the future with North Korea claiming to have nuclear weapons and Iran claiming to be close to getting them. Well then it might be a different story. However it will still take them both time to make small nukes.

For the US we built the Davey Crockett in the 60's my Dad worked on them while in the military during Vietnam war era. (my name is no relation to the bomb or so I'm told :lol ). So anyway that's roughly 16 years before we made them small enough to be easily transported.

So any attack like that in the very near future is probably highly unlikely unless they used dirty bombs. In 10 years who knows.

Too bad Bush used up our army in Iraq so now we can't do anything about the real threats North Korea and Iran.
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