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Offline Maverick

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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2007, 09:39:33 AM »
Definitely go with the CHT / EGT option. You have several choices from rather inexpensive (airplane wise anyhow) to rather pricey depending on how fancy you want to be. It's a fairly straightforward install and shouldn't be bad at all depending on what kind of rats nest you have behind the panel and what space you have to mount the guage(s). Keeping track of the health of the jugs goes a long way to keeping an engine happy.

I wouldn't count on the lean of peak idea. I think you'll find that the stock Lycoming intake and the Piper exhaust manifold does not make for uniform cylinder temps accross the engine once you get the CHT/EGT installed. As a result of this you'll have a hard time keeping temps ballanced in all 4 jugs. While running cool (rich) won't hurt anything but mileage, running a cylinder lean over hot will be very ungood.
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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2007, 09:44:22 AM »
it's not always about safety.

Most private pilots start out bursting with enthusiasm.. they rent of buy a plane that is 30 to gawd only knows how old... they start out flying every chance they get.... they cover hundreds of miles from their local airport...

all the time.

they see and fly the same patch.   from too high up... they get cooked and frozen in planes with interiors that no one would put up with in a 30 year old car.

They pay hanger fees and every year or so they get some huge bill for repairs or upgrades..  they fly less.. every other weekend or so...  the people who wanted to fly with em get sick of airsick and uncomfortable.

I would look into a trailerable ultralight with a good four stroke engine that could be set up by one person in a half hour or so when I retire.   or... maybe a piper cub type with open sides and hope like hell I don't get caught flying it.

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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2007, 09:49:06 AM »
Heh, very true, laz.  The United pilot took me up a couple times in his Taylorcraft.  It was okay, but not the joy of flying I expected.  Mostly muted haze colors, noisy, bouncy, and confining.

Much preferred driving the Miata.
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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2007, 01:07:01 PM »
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Do you 2 need a time out?  


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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2007, 03:27:25 PM »
Wow didn't mean to provoke all that.

My 2 pennies.. well, haven't flown in an actual ultralight... but I did check out paramotoring, took some trike rides. In summary, wind sucks. Not my cup of tea. Felt alot more safe & comfy in a Cessna. Quite a bit more expensive in the long run l, but worth it imho.


edit: and Lazs, Cubs are freakin' cool.

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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2007, 04:00:37 PM »
Cubs _are_ cool, no doubt about it.  Better yet, they fall under light sport rules, the training costs are less.
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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2007, 07:47:04 PM »
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For the record, Golfer's commentary had nothing to do with my decision.  In fact, it was terribly unhelpful.  I felt he took credit for a decision I made quite separately from his "advice", and his condescension did favors to nobody.  Golfer's advice on some subjects and reality do not share the same vectors.

I decided against ultralights in general because I didn't like the way the one I flew felt (light weight = tossed around at the whim of the wind), nor the typical high revs of the engines most of them have.  Also, it's a bit misleading to suggest that I went for a certified aircraft because of the experience, I was mid-purchase of a Long-EZ before finding out that the stock design didn't allow for my long legs, and that was well after my flight of infamy. :D

For the original poster, go up in a 2-seater ultralight with a trainer first to see if it's what you want.  The noise and bumpiness doesn't translate well to the videos you see online, but if it turns out to be what you want, there are some nice looking light sport planes (previously 'fat ultralights') like the Rans Coyote II and the S-12XL (the second which is similar to the Challenger).

C'mon, guys, get it right.
 

Ty. Ok well i want to fly..somthing. But i dont know what excactly. I figured ultralight would be cheap and easy. (they r kinda dangerous tho) How hard is it to get a Pilots licence. (im only 16) About how much r planes. I wanna get somthing sporty. Like  a Extra300 or "Rv-8"

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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2007, 07:51:02 PM »
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I'm going to chime in on that as well.  My points wern't meant to be ultralights = bad.  They're not.  I've flown a couple (the Challenger II and II short wing variants included) and they can be a lot of fun.

My points mostly had to do with using auto engines in airplanes and relative safety of experimental airplanes compared to certified airplanes.

I'm absolutely sure that Chairboy didn't make any decisions based on my commentary but my concerns were at some of the reasoning and decisions made in the process.  Not a personal vendetta against Chairboy but addressing numerous red flags that went flying in interest of smoking hole prevention.  Mostly involved in getting in too deep too quickly.  Chairboy learned about this the day he flew a tailwheel airplane the first time...solo.  He learned a lot from that and along the road he picked up enough information to stay that much safer as he gains that much more experience.

I don't recall ever "taking credit" for Chairboy doing anything but I did throw in a few juvenile "I told you so" jabs.  I would have sang a different tune had his tailwheel flight gone the other way...which it very easily could have.

I disagree with a few things with experimental engines/certain airplanes but thats my personal choice to not fly them.  Rotary engines, auto engine conversions and airplanes are glorified kites fall into those categories.  Again...my decisions but its the experiemental builders and tinkerers that figure out how to make them work safely over time so good on them for being the test pilots.

My only other tip would be is not use 1 as "one" and 2 as "to/too" when typing.  Just some good advice 4U...

Yep it's as gay as I thought it would be :confused:


Did you decide on an EGT and the rest of your panel Chairboy?
 

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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2007, 08:15:00 PM »
I wouldnt mind having an ultralight for local weekend use, but finances stop me dead in my tracks.

Actually I always wanted to learn how to fly small aircraft, but the same rule applies.


I may call the local flight school monday and get some more information.
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« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2007, 11:08:10 PM »
Here you go lump-o-meat, its even an RG...

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« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2007, 11:47:21 PM »
Now that looks pretty awesome.


Too bad I cant afford it


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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2007, 12:05:57 AM »
Friend of mine is building a challenger, looks like it will be a fun bird.

I'll be picking up my new ride in a couple weeks. New engine is being installed now. Here it is. Pictures are at the bottom and take a while to load. She will do 195- 205 Kts. in the low Flight levels.

http://www.1stcru.com/P210/P210N.doc
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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2007, 12:14:10 AM »
Sweet!  

Avoid this 210 landing technique if possible:

http://www.aircraftguru.com/aircraft-videos/show-aircraft-videos.php?v_id=223

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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2007, 12:34:19 AM »
Yikes, that was quite an arrival.

Main reason I'm buying the P210 is that I'm sick and tired of flying Commercial. After our list trip on the airlines my wife said, "please buy a big fast airplane".:)

So I did.

Next stop will be Flight Ice Inc. to have the Known Ice TKS installed.

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« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2007, 07:37:53 AM »
What made you go with the TKS system as opposed to Boots?

(Don't read anything into the question...just curious!)