Author Topic: Ticket Advice (Read 755 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 05, 2007, 08:54:03 AM »

what a nation of wimps we have become. It is embarrassing.

lazs

loser · « **Reply #16 on:** June 05, 2007, 10:07:02 AM »

Wait a second.

You were the passenger of a vehicle and you were asked for (and gave) I.D?

No. No. No. No. No.

Halo · « **Reply #17 on:** June 05, 2007, 10:24:55 AM »

It is a misdemeanor to have that much fun at the beach before summer begins June 21.

Atoon · « **Reply #18 on:** June 05, 2007, 10:39:39 AM »

Very common for police in beach areas to be overzealous. They generate alot of income. Generating income is the intent, keeping people in line is a nice biproduct.

I agree that the taxi driver was at fault. And, had I been the officer I would have been content to deal with just the driver, UNLESS of course, some of the drunken passengers got mouthy(what are the odds?).

Now, you must consider what your time is worth. Keep in mind that the Judge is likely also motivated by revinue generation, and that your I.D. likely says your just visiting.

lazs2 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 05, 2007, 02:45:34 PM »

well... at least cars built before 1966 are safe enough to not need seatbelts.

lazs

cav58d · « **Reply #20 on:** June 05, 2007, 02:51:00 PM »

I dont see what there possibly is for me to man up 2? There is no freaking way I am paying a fine that isn't even legal to have given out. I'm 23 years old. I got drunk at a bar, and made the right move by taking a cab instead of terrorizing the streets of belmar by driving. The cab happened to get pulled over because it was over crowded, however, cops came to the cab, lights in face, demanding ID's before anyone could have (if they even did) say a word.

The court date is on a Wed, and is a little out of my way, however, it will only take me 35 minutes to get there in the grumman, and furthermore, I don't care if it's out of my way. It's my personal principle im standing up for. I can just imagine how much poor fools paid stupid tickets that they didn't have to. Well im not going to be one of them. Furthermore, I hope the cop shows up to court, because i'm going to politely ask he reviews his laws. Over the top with that last comment? Maybe. However, i've done absolutely nothing wrong, so i'm not worried.

PS- Whats the deal with "if your in the back seat dont give ID". Are you not required to give ID at a traffic stop? (PX or driver?)

x0847Marine · « **Reply #21 on:** June 05, 2007, 02:51:23 PM »

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Originally posted by loser
Wait a second.

You were the passenger of a vehicle and you were asked for (and gave) I.D?

No. No. No. No. No.

Normally, yes, offering ID as a legally seated passenger is a "no". However his situation was different: he was intoxicated, and one of a few passengers.

Based on his observations, the officer could have EASILY taken every intoxicated passenger to jail for demonstrating they were respectively "unable to care for his / her safety, or the safety of others".

The officer can also easily claim with so many passengers in the cab, he needed to detain them all "re: possible vehicle code violation investigation", at which point not producing ID is delaying an officer in the performance of his / her duties.

cav58d · « **Reply #22 on:** June 05, 2007, 03:23:08 PM »

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Originally posted by x0847Marine

Based on his observations, the officer could have EASILY taken every intoxicated passenger to jail for demonstrating they were respectively "unable to care for his / her safety, or the safety of others".

what are you talking about. He would have no grounds what so ever, and would have found himself with a law suit on his arse if he took me to jail that night. There is no grounds to arrest someone in a cab, who is under control and not a danger to himself or anyone else. I was in complete control of my well being and of those around me. Now you make me wish he did take me in. I could be retired.

x0847Marine · « **Reply #23 on:** June 05, 2007, 03:24:54 PM »

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Originally posted by cav58d
cops came to the cab, lights in face, demanding ID's before anyone could have (if they even did) say a word.

Theres a legal line between a demand, and a request. A cop can "ask" you do do almost anything, I used to "ask" female gangsters / cholas in skirts / dresses to "jump up and down".

And they would do it thinking they had to.. I was just looking to see if any guns / weapons / drugs would fall out, the dudes give the illegal stuff to the chicks who then stuff it in their crotch knowing male officers can't search up there... it usually falls out after a few bunny hops.

All they had to do was say "no, I'm not jumping up and down" and that would have that.

If the police ever ask you for anything: "Am I under arrest? or being detained?, if not I'd like to leave".

If you are being detained, give them your ID and tell them nothing other than "If you're going to give me a ticket, or arrest me, lets get it over with.. otherwise I don't have to answer your questions, or talk to you".

x0847Marine · « **Reply #24 on:** June 05, 2007, 04:12:54 PM »

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Originally posted by cav58d
what are you talking about. He would have no grounds what so ever, and would have found himself with a law suit on his arse if he took me to jail that night. There is no grounds to arrest someone in a cab, who is under control and not a danger to himself or anyone else. I was in complete control of my well being and of those around me. Now you make me wish he did take me in. I could be retired.

You've already admitted to being "drunk", you think the officer cant take you to jail from the back seat of a cab loaded with people not caring for their safety or the safety of others? being in a taxi is still "public"... take a look at public intoxication laws, like Cali 647(f) PC

I'll tell you exactly how it would have worked: A sober person would have recognized the "obvious danger" in riding in an over loaded taxi full of unrestrained passengers, but you were "drunk" and in the officers opinion unable to care for your safety, or the safety of others. Was someone on your lap? or visa versa?, you have any idea what a 30mph fender bender does to unrestrained passengers? they slam into others.

If you're unable to care for your safety, or lack the judgement to choose a safe ride home, the police will do it for you.

john9001 · « **Reply #25 on:** June 05, 2007, 07:47:52 PM »

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Originally posted by x0847Marine

If you're unable to care for your safety, or lack the judgement to choose a safe ride home, the police will do it for you.

did you read what happened? the cop had the cab towed away, leaving him standing there, drunk, defenseless. So much for "protect and serve".

"you have violated public safety law Cali 647(f) PC, for your own safety you will be eliminated."

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #26 on:** June 05, 2007, 08:27:18 PM »

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Originally posted by cav58d
My house is in Belmar. Myself, and 8 other college buds rented out a watermelon chack on the beach for the summer.

The first, and ONLY time I've ever been to belmar I was almost killed by a crazy guy. And I mean that in all seriousness.

My advice, take the ticket as a reality check and get the hell out.