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Offline cav58d

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« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2007, 07:09:01 PM »
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Couple of things here.

1. Is this the first gun you have ever owned?
2. Do you have ANY experiance with firing a gun?
3. How many people are living in your home with you and what type of home do you live in? Apartment, house, condo?


1 -  First firearm I have ever owned
2 -  Did a decent amount of shooting as a kid, however, that was over a decade ago and any experience I had is long gone.
3 -  solo / condo.

I don't plan on having any type of girlfriend moving in, and I sure as hell dont plan on getting married any time in the next decade, so this weapon will be geared for myself.

I appreciate all the advice guys.  Tomorrow i'm going to my local range and I will inquire about training courses and future certification.  It sounds like the .357 is pretty popular among the community.  I'll definately put some research into that type of weapon.

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« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2007, 07:18:12 PM »
.357 is a good round, just remember though, living in a condo you have people on both sides of you. Penetration IS an issue you need to consider. A standard .357 round can go right through someone and still have enough energy to go through a wall and cause injury, let alone all the folks who will tell you a magnum round or a +P is needed. Those are over powered rounds for what your looking for.

Remember that once you pull the trigger YOU are responsible for EVERYONE in the immediate area. Pop a round through a wall and hurt a neighbor, it's your ass.

I live in an apartment with thick walls and my shotgun is the ONLY gun I keep loaded at home for that very reason. Just something to keep in mind.
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« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2007, 07:25:28 PM »
I would say a shotgun like hornet said, when its dark its very tough to aim a Pistol properly, 12 or 20 Gauge would work great.
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« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2007, 07:41:38 PM »
BFR .45 Long Colt/.410 Revolver

Doesn't jam, Ball rounds will stop a car, shot rounds will hit "everything" across the average room or down the normal hall with little danger to those on the other side of the wall. Not a hideout or concealed carry gun but even if you miss someone will likely wet their pants.

Easily handled by both my wife and daughter.

A lot depends on whether you want it to look cool, or be deadly effective.
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« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2007, 07:55:46 PM »
First Gun??? Only Gun??? Lives in an Apartment??? Need for home Def???
Answer; 12ga 8shot, shooting #4 buckshot....Makes a great club too...

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« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2007, 08:17:56 PM »
My first instinct is to agree with Vor,  .357 revolver would be a good first gun.  Hornet is also right, .357 will pentrate a wall.   a bunch of us were out at the "pits" one afternoon and one of our group had made a simple frame from 2x4s.  Inside that frame were 2x4s spaced about 4 inches apart.    We took turns standing about 20 feet from those 2x4s and firing at it to see who could hit the most 2x4s.  one guy had a .22, my .357, another guy his .44 and one of the docs his 1911 .45  
We each fired two rounds each, my .357 (138grn hollowpoint and 180gr FMJ) 138grn pentrated 1 2x4s and almost went through the 2nd one,
The 180 busted through 2 and stuck in a 3rd.  
The.44 (220gr  and a 240? poor memory but close) did three 2x4s but really tore them up.  I think the .45 took out only 2 2x4s but pretty much ruined them.  That was 85 or 86 so the memory is pretty fuzzy, but I'm pretty sure that my 357 took out at least 2 2x4s from 20 feet.

If your looking for your first handgun, I would pick a .357 revolver.

ON the other hand I have personally seen a shotgun blast through about 3 inches of wall space between two apartment style houses on base.  The guy was about 25 feet from his wall and fired.  Shot passed through his wall, through his neighbor's wall and hit another wall 25 feet past that.   it was atleast #4 but I dont know what choke was being used on the shotgun either.  

Shotgun or .357  I think you're going to be dealing with some unwanted pentration.   I guessing that in a confrontation in an apartment the maximum distance between you and an unwanted guest would be somewhere between 15 and 20 feet, maybe even closer.  
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« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2007, 01:20:30 AM »
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I have made the decision that it is the right time for me to exercise me second amendment right, and become a gun owner.  I have no intention of ever hunting.  I am simply looking to become licensed, purchase a hand gun for home protection, and hopefully never have to take it out of its lock box aside from cleaning or the shooting range.

I am looking for a weapon that would be easy to maintain for someone with minimal gun experience, as well as enough hitting power if I ever was put in the situation where I had to use it to defend my family and my home.

I'm looking for recommendations on both the weapon, and a weapons safe to house the gun.

cav-

By the way.  I don't want to spend more than 1k.


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« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2007, 07:43:51 AM »
A few points:

1) .357MAG is statistically rated #1 amongst pistol cartridges for "one shot stops", based on actual shootings. .45ACP is a close second.

2) In many home defense situations, you may be asleep with no warning when the need to defend arises. Depending on where the threat is, accessing a long gun (like a 12 guage pump) may be more difficult - you can't keep it in as many convenient places as you can a pistol.

3) If you are confronted suddenly at extremely close quarters in a tight space, a long gun may be more difficult to manuever for a solution than a pistol. The long gun may also be easier for the intruder to grasp and manuever away from a solution.

4) While its true .357MAG can be a very aggressive penetrator, that's all about what bullet you shoot. You can choose frangible rounds that will reliably expend all their energy in the target and offer little danger of penetrating walls with lethal effect to bystanders.

5) As has already been pointed out, you may fire .38 Special ammo through a .357MAG revolver. This means you can practice shooting with a low power low recoil round, thus be much less likely to be intimidated by the weapon's recoil. Do NOT fall prey to manliness here - recoil and excess muzzle blast from magnum loads can instill flinch in an inexperienced shooter no matter how much testosterone flows through his veins. You'll learn familiarity with your weapon much easier with the lower power loads, and then in a stressed defense situation adrenaline will make sure you never notice the larger blast as you shoot.

Qualifiers:

1) I do personally prefer the sawed-off 12 guage pump as my weapon of choice where appropriate. If I am awakened and alerted, but have time to arm and orient myself to the threat, that's what I am most likely to grab from amongst my many many choices. But, that's partly due to the fact I have spent many an hour practicing CQB drills with most of my appropriate inventory. If I have any doubt that manueverability in tight spaces will be an issue, I'll settle for the pistol as preferable.

2) I do personally prefer the 1911 .45ACP as my defense pistol of choice. I do so even though I also own several .357MAG and .44MAG weapons, whose stopping power I regard highly and which I am very proficient with. I choose the 1911 because of I am just a tad faster getting it out of carry and delivering multiple rounds on target than with the revolvers. Not much faster, mind you (I have on one occasion taken the money pot from a bunch of cops who were shooting bowling pins with their auto pistols while I shot my single-action Super Blackhawk .44MAG) but every hundredth of a second counts here.

Summary:

You give lack of current ownership as a factor, as well as limited experience. The revolver is the simplest repeating weapon to load and shoot. It is compact, stores and manuevers easily. The .357MAG is arguably the most reliably "man-stopper", borne out by real-world statictics. It is also easy to learn, and you can do so with low-power inexpensive ammo.

Its the best place to start your collection.

Be sure to schedule and attend a safety course, and take your family as well.

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« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2007, 08:14:26 AM »
ok... I am a fan of revolvers.    Modern semi autos are worlds ahead of what they had even a few decades ago tho...  the ammo is better and the guns are better.   I never even liked 1911's a few decades ago.. they jammed and were inaccurate except in the custom guns costing thousands and with ball ammo.

Whoever said that he felt the .357 was weak could not be more wrong... it is consistently rated the number one stopper of men.   with 125 grain hollow points it will stop a man in his tracks about 90% of the time with one shot to the torso.  

some good advice here but..

if it is your first gun and you have not shot much...  go to a range that rents guns.   You may find that a revolver just doesn't feel right to you.   They are normally much more accurate than most semi autos but.. that may not be the case for you.   no matter what.. if you don't like the gun it won't be the best choice.

handguns are harder to learn to shoot well.   Still..  truth is you hopefully won't be shooting anyone anyway.. you may end up pointing it at someone to get them to stop doing whatever they were doing.. if you have to shoot it will most likely be at close range.   If you miss.. he will run.  That is the reality.   But..  little old grannies hit bad guys in the house.. it is not as hard as people make it sound.

Semi autos are much more reliable and accurate than in the past but they still do have their limitations..  the best of the breeds have eliminated most of the limitations but they still exist.

A gun that is locked up or unloaded is pretty much worthless...  I have a gun safe.. My Kimber 45 and 44 mag are both in the room with me and loaded.. when I go to work they will go into the safe.   If I need a gun to go to the range I open the safe.. if I need a gun to defend myself I grab the one next to me.

Any gun will work better than no gun and a 32 in your hand is fine whereas a 45 in the safe is worthless.   I would not feel unarmed with a 22 single action revolver or black powder cap and ball.   The secret is in knowing how to use the gun you have on you and the willingness to do it.

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« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2007, 08:34:38 AM »
Ruger 10-22.

They're cheap, accurate, and you can shoot all day at the range for $10 in ammo.  All of the other suggestions here have been good guns, but how useful can you be with 'em if you can't afford to put a few hundred or thousand rounds through targets in practice?

Sure, it's a rifle, but it'll protect your family (assuming you're not being taken down by huge insectoids from Starship Troopers or something), it's cheap to buy, cheap to operate, and you can spend some time developing the basics.
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« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2007, 08:38:50 AM »
ferndale has a point... how many of you frieghtened little boys have ever needed a seatbelt?

Fire insurance?  Accident insurance?   why are you wasting your time and money?  

If you have never needed a gun then how would it be possible that you would ever need one?

In the old days... when kids were allowed to bring guns to school for NRA sponsored gun safety classes and way back when  in the days when there were evil people in the world... you might have needed one but now... with the "gun free zones" and welfare and such there simply are no people out there who would wish you harm... and even if there were... there are laws against hurting you... and... policemen to protect you.

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« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2007, 09:47:02 AM »
I concur with the revolver situation. If you plan to do minimal shooting with it other than initial shooting while new or occasional plinking the revolver requires less training or practice to be good in the role you have outlined.

I also agree with the .357 and like Toad said the ammo is cheap and readily available.

I would recommend a stainless revolver, either a model 66 S&W or a Ruger security six. Taurus also makes some nice revolvers for the budget minded and they do OK for occasional or hobby use.

I recommended stainless simply because they require less maintenance, especially in a high humidity environment. That does NOT mean you can clean it in the dishwasher however.

I'd also suggest you get the adjustable sights just to make it more adaptable to different kinds of ammo.

I do not advise a long gun for any home defense use. It's too clumsy in a confined space. Don't buy into the myth that you don't need to aim a shotgun to get a hit on the desired target.

I strongly suggest you get the CCW class if it is offered in your area even if you never intend to apply for the permit. Not only is it good practice but they will likely give you good info about when to shoot and more importantly when NOT to shoot.
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« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2007, 10:34:28 AM »
Before you buy anything, Google info about the Springfield XD .45 ACP, especially with 4-inch barrel and the Glock TL22 Tactical Light/Laser.  

Best combo I've ever found for fun plinking, target shooting, and home defense.  

Look at one at a gun store and rent one at a firing range.  Guns are very subjective -- one person's treasure is another's reject.
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« Reply #28 on: June 05, 2007, 11:35:27 AM »
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« Reply #29 on: June 05, 2007, 12:53:40 PM »
I shoot more than the average police officer and have shot just about everything in the book. .357 is a great gun and one of the best rounds on the market for the past 40 years.

I would say if you need something that you can pack in your bags our car a clock 19 is a fine choice. Small, light no maintain required point and shoot. At a retail price of $500 and boxs of ammo for $9 shoot the piss out of it and keep it as a paper weight on your desk at night. I am willing to bet it doesn't matter if you get shot by a 9mm our a .357 that person is going to be in a world of hurt and looking for the fastest way out.

Our a Remington 870 with a 18inch barrel at walmart would be a better idea. That's going to cost you $250 out the door and $5 for a box of 00 buck. You can kill rabbits up grizzly bears with a 12ga..