Knight Rook or Bish

[Serenity]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
Wow, I'm lucky then.  I flew knights tonight and had the grandest time.  I received help from several people:  dmdgoose, Bustr, Qatr, Silat, Corky, just to name a few off the top of my head.  OTOH I didn't see any cooperation among bish last time I flew with them.  There may be plenty, but I missed it.  I was damaged and rtb right near our base dragging.  called out "dragging" several times as I flew under a dozen or so friendly bish.  I asked for help... didn't even get a response, say nothing of the help, lol. I know the LTAR's play for bish and they are a great bunch of guys so there is at least some cooperation among bish but I missed it.

Rooks are great and most of my long time "friends" fly rooks but there are just too many of them.

Corky isnt regularly a Knight

And in all the time ive been flying, really the only guy to get any REAL missions going was Kazaa. Mako has some great ones, but they're normally for fun, not to capture a base.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Serenity
Corky isnt regularly a Knight

And in all the time ive been flying, really the only guy to get any REAL missions going was Kazaa. Mako has some great ones, but they're normally for fun, not to capture a base.

I never said anything about missions.

[Daubie]

Do I get to reply more than once per thread?

I went to Rooks side 3 days ago.  I see a lot of the "more" educated guru types there actually conducting intelligent conversation on text channel.

Rooks seem to be better organized at teamwork objectives, not in dedicated squad mode.

And Rooks use 4 carriers instead of just one in their water adventures.

I belong to a Bishop squad, but I was just feeling out the process.  

I think I will fly with the Pawns, though.  Following the crowd usually always got me in trouble.  I am an independent consultant.  Wish I knew something.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Daubie
Do I get to reply more than once per thread?

I went to Rooks side 3 days ago.  I see a lot of the "more" educated guru types there actually conducting intelligent conversation on text channel.

LOL

I left rooks about 1 1/2 years ago, because I couldn't stand the constand disputes about American politics on countrychannel anymore.

Now doing my Goodwill Tour Summer 2007. What was the first thing I had to do on my first day on the rook side? Squelching half of the countrymen, because countrychannel was spammed again with topics like Hillary, Bush= Hitler, Hussein = Hitler, the right to bear arms and so on...

[Yarbles]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
If it "takes a thread like this to light a fire to fight", well that is sad.

I am sure you are making a very profound point here but for the less intuitive could you possibly expand on this:)

[crockett]

Originally posted by Lusche
LOL

I left rooks about 1 1/2 years ago, because I couldn't stand the constand disputes about American politics on countrychannel anymore.

Now doing my Goodwill Tour Summer 2007. What was the first thing I had to do on my first day on the rook side? Squelching half of the countrymen, because countrychannel was spammed again with topics like Hillary, Bush= Hitler, Hussein = Hitler, the right to bear arms and so on...

Only time I ever see politics on Rook country channel is when Skyrider starts trolling.

[FALCONWING]

having read thru the posts i cant comment on how bish are since i have never fought them =)

i will say this about the rooks though:  i dont believe their skill level is higher than knights...i find them all very killable if you can get a fair fight...but the rooks use the advantage of numbers and picking to get better k/d...

2 rooks fiter squads in particular seem to setup camp with alt/e..they claim to love to furball but 262's/tempests seem to be as much planes of choice..they use wingman skills and numbers but lets lots of nonsquad rooks die easily while they pick guys on them...there is nothing wrong with this but this is what you can do when you fly with numbers consistently...this is how you drive up a k/d

also 4 nights ago i upped to defend a base where there was good furballing going on...rooks had 2x number of pilots..again it was one of these squads...i called about 6 bops to up and help..thought it could be a good furball...kill some pickers etc...it was the only fight between rooks/bish going on...10 minutes later all the pilots for that squad had left that area...i had killed 3-4 of them....i waited ror them to come back but they went elsewhere...(no trahs talking) so any organized resistance which prevented their flying technique seems to have not been "fun" for them...

so overall i agree with the fact that no country is really better then another...but i do think that score squads/pilots have chosen rooks because you can do more when you have numbers to jack up your score...

[stickpig]

Originally posted by Daubie
Been here 3 months.

Started out Knights in EW.  Switched to Bishops to see the difference mostly in Orange and Purple MA.  The other day, switched to Rooks.  

I joined a Bishop squad that no matter where I went, their squad name ID went with me. (Nice squad decal on the cowl!)  I read the boards a lot, some Knight group offered advice to a noobie for training and foolishly dropped their vox channel publically.  I was currently Bishop in a tank area and switched to their channel for intel.  2 hours later they noticed me and my squad affiliation and went to their secondary com channel.  

I like to be independent.  Like has been stated, I tend to like the underdog, but I also like activity.  So if one side is dead, I go to another side.  It does seem to me the Rooks are much better organized, though, as team spirit.

I'm a loner by nature.  I'm not much fond of the social groupy thing.  I find no matter what country I'm fighting for, the other guys bond together as a team to help each other out.

No disrespect by me about stuff I've learned here from other guys, any country.  The highest respect a guy could give me is a good run for anything I may show somebody in a combat sortie.  I really get super PO'd sometimes getting bettered by a good player, but it is just a !@#$%^&* game.  And score doesn't matter or so they say---is BS!  

If it's red, shoot it.  Whether he used to be a buddy doesn't matter to me and no hard feelings if you shoot me down, either.

I want to get good and have fun and NOT stagnate!

Each arena should have separate squad affiliation availability so a person can have variety.  Otherwise, I'll be a free agent to the highest bidder...

This tour I started out serious to get a good looking score.   But like tanking  spawn vultures, I get so PO'd at guys I keep coming back to get immediately killed again just maybe I can get a round off and kill him, so I keep trying; really screws up my score!!  Score matters.  Heck, baseball batting averages are less specific as here how HTC rates the score stats.

And maybe HTC thinks it is all about aerial combat; but the guys say it is all about taking bases.

As to furballs, my side drops the fighters' hangers to the opposing force I take as my sole mission to find the guy on my side and shoot him down; if it is all about aerial combat.  Fighter hangers are life blood to a furball.

All I want is to get to be very good and find just one buddy that can back me up and me back him up!  Country doesn't matter via AH.   Country loyalty matters where you live.  Country loyalty matters if you took the oath.

If people like to dogfight and it is about aerial combat, why the MA.  Some pretty good stuff goes on in TA.  Is it you can't see the bad guy go poof or catch fire why MA is better?  Or is it about score?

Didn't think you could tune to a vox channel from a differnt country......

[Xasthur]

You can't, I've ended up on other's squad freqs. several times when switching countries.

[Yarbles]

Originally posted by Lusche
Here comes some hard data:

Tour 88 (the last month):

All models have 245047 Kills of Knights.
All models have 227246 Deaths by Knights

Knight K/D 0.93


All models have 259590 Kills of Bishops
All models have 229410 Deaths by Bishops

Bishop K/D 0.88


All models have 224253 Kills of Rooks
All models have 272234 Deaths by Rooks

Rook K/D 1.21


The interpretation is up to you

2 Camps on this as in:

1) Those who say intuitively we are all the same.

2) Those whose anecdotal experience and loyalties lead to certain conclusions.

The data however with such a large sample size points to the Rooks being the most skilled and the Bishops the least. Since the Knights achive least according to popular perception but are not the least skilled they may be the worst organised  

[Lusche]

Ok, now I know it. The Bishs are cursed!

I just switched to Bish, and was shot down three times in a row without getting a single kill. Didn't happen to me since my earliest noob days. I was a Bish then too...

[LTARsqrl]

Don't forget the other and most likely explanation.  Both Knights and Rooks like to gang the Bishops.  Case in point, 11 Rooks flew to a V-Base last night and shot down one plane, then left. (FYI, this is no exaggeration)

Which isn't surprising, but tends to really jerk the stats around.  Let see, Rooks one kill, Bishops one death.  Got it.  Bish are poor pilots.  

Most nights, we look at the fronts and see solid red dar bars between Bishops and Rooks, and Knights and Rooks.  And usually, not always, but usually, very little activity between Rooks and Knights.

Not sure if this is possible, but do they have stats for Rook/Bish,  Rook/Knight, Knight/Rook, Knight/Bish, and finally Bish/Rook, Bish/Knight stats?

LTARsqrl  <>

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by LTARsqrl
Don't forget the other and most likely explanation.  Both Knights and Rooks like to gang the Bishops.  
LTARsqrl  <>

 

[crockett]

Originally posted by LTARsqrl
Don't forget the other and most likely explanation.  Both Knights and Rooks like to gang the Bishops.  Case in point, 11 Rooks flew to a V-Base last night and shot down one plane, then left. (FYI, this is no exaggeration)

Which isn't surprising, but tends to really jerk the stats around.  Let see, Rooks one kill, Bishops one death.  Got it.  Bish are poor pilots.  

Most nights, we look at the fronts and see solid red dar bars between Bishops and Rooks, and Knights and Rooks.  And usually, not always, but usually, very little activity between Rooks and Knights.

Not sure if this is possible, but do they have stats for Rook/Bish,  Rook/Knight, Knight/Rook, Knight/Bish, and finally Bish/Rook, Bish/Knight stats?

LTARsqrl  <>

Funny I could swear it's knights and Bish that like to gang on Rooks.. I guess you haven't been in LWOrange lately..

[Stang]

Every country gangs the others just the same.  I love the "my country is always getting ganged" paranoia.