A Short History of Gun Control

[bsdaddict]

To me, the "Right to Keep and Bear Arms" is directly related to another right we all have, the "Right to Self Defense".  So related, IMHO, that Constitutionally speaking it's practically redundant.   Unfortunately politicians and judges historically have had a distorted view of the Constitution and the Rights it guarantees, so we've had a steady degradation of our Rights over the years.  

Any rational Patriot knows that "having" an unalienable right, such as life or liberty or property, implies that one can defend/protect that right.  I only wish that the Founding Fathers had been more explicit, thereby removing "interpretation" from the equation.

[tedrbr]

Originally posted by bsdaddict
 I only wish that the Founding Fathers had been more explicit, thereby removing "interpretation" from the equation.

I guess actually sitting down and reading The Federalists Papers is a bit much to expect out of most people dealing with Constitutional issues.... like Congress, lawyers, and judges.... or the media covering those issues.

[john9001]

Originally posted by Angus
Still am not able to buy a handgun. Got no use for it anyway

translation.. the govt told me i have no use for a handgun.

[bsdaddict]

Originally posted by tedrbr
I guess actually sitting down and reading The Federalists Papers is a bit much to expect out of most people dealing with Constitutional issues.... like Congress, lawyers, and judges.... or the media covering those issues.

unfortunately, our history is proving you correct.  

I do know, however, that Ron Paul has read them and has a clear understanding of what "unalienable rights" mean AND what the proper role of Gov't in regards to protecting those rights.  

[VOR]

Originally posted by Viking
On a related note (when we are talking about gun control in relation to fighting tyrrany) this video is also a "must see":

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2867952079949962377

I made it to "endless war of global empire". Got anything else?

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by lazs2
like I told ya... he don't get it... never will.

lazs

because I went flawlessly through an interview with the chief of the local Police.

[blkmgc]

Interesting Statistics
 
 
 FACTS TO PONDER:
 
 (A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
 
 (B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians  per year are  120,000.
 
 (C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.
 
 Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of  Health and Human Services.
 
 
 
 Now think about this:
 
 Guns:
 
 (A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.    (Yes, that's 80 million).
 
 (B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
 
 (C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .000188.
 
 Statistics courtesy of FBI
 
 
 So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
 
 
 Remember, "Guns don't kill people, doctors do."
 
 
 FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN,  BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.
 
 
 Please alert your friends to this alarming threat.  We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!!!!!
 
 
 Out of concern for the public at large, I withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause
  people to panic and seek medical attention

[68Hawk]

Viking,

The first set you posted are good links.  I've seen them already.  Penn and Teller are always fun to watch.

On the other hand, Alex Jones is a sensationalist at best and a hack on the order of Victor Thorn on the more likely side of things.  His research is shoddy.  I have never been able to discover a proper list of his actual credentials, or anything of his past before he started in 'jounalism'.  I do agree with him on some minor points in a few things of his wider work, but that doesn't mean he's a credible source.  

Please don't listen to Alex Jones too hard.  He's not helping anything really.  His shoddyness only casts doubt on the things he's right about.  Some of his on the spot footage has some redeeming value, but his presentation or analysis of it often approaches a Michael Mooreish level of questionablilty.  

blkmgc- awesome!

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Angus

Still am not able to buy a handgun. Got no use for it anyway

Very few have a "use" (translated need) for a handgun until (even in the wild and wooley US of A) that very rare occasion wherein one's life might depend on having one. Though it may be a tired cliche it is nonetheless true "better to have and not need than to need and not have".

[BaDkaRmA158Th]

Whats worse is we dont have guns to defend ourselfs.

Land, personal safety have always been on top of the list to being "free"

Now the united states government can take your land, if they want to build a diffrent road next to it.

if they want your land for "30-100 years later to build something there" they can do it.

and without guns you cant even shoot anyone trying to jack your land anymore. "get off MY land, kABLAM!"


I didnt think it was truth till my room mate lost his house he just bought because they wanted to make the road wider.

Not only do they *** you on your land, but also the price its worth,and the price you paid for it.

They gave him only 65 thousand for his house and land.

he could ither say no, and loose everything.
or at least walk away with some $.


125% nazi communism bull****.

To hell with this country.

Cant wait to send a .308 thru some fat cats wig.
Keep em crossed, the time is comin'.

[lazs2]

people don't often interview well..   local police officials have been known to have "odd" ideas and to harbor grudges and even... take bribes and do other dishonest things...

Now I can't think of anyone short of some devout socialist who would be happy to trust his life and property and those of his fellows to the whim of some buerocrat police official and on their own ability to do well in an interview.

I don't trust my government..  I think that in light of it's past and current moral and constitutional transgressions..  that, I have a healthy attitude.

I trust my government more than any of yours tho.

lazs

[Angus]

Originally posted by 68Hawk
It would be really nice if all we had around here to keep at bay was gulls.  All you really need for that is 12ga alkaselzter tablets.  

The problems around here shoot back.

That's because you're all overarmed, and we're not. Any idiot can be ecpected to tote a gun, while here it's really rare. And that's why you guys shoot each other on a whoopingly high basis, - highest in the western world?

[moot]

Angus, why don't you mention the obvious thing - that guns are 'gone bad' in the US for the same reason many other good ideas in the US such as education, TV, leisure, freedom of speech (etc) have gone bad?
Something being abused does not prove it's a bad idea.

[john9001]

Originally posted by Angus
That's because you're all overarmed,

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Angus
And that's why you guys shoot each other on a whoopingly high basis

My counts are way down for this year. Other than the occasional stray zombie I haven`t had much action.
Got to get those stats up.