Suggested Mosquito lineup for Aces High

[Souless]

that answers my question as to the +18 boost but not to what model we have modelled here I think we all need to now that first.

[Souless]

Originally posted by Karnak
The gauges follow Merlin 21 parameters.  The performance follows Merlin 25 with flame damper parameters.  Essentially we have a Merlin 25 Mosquito Mk VI running at +18lbs boost on WEP.

The performance does not follow merlin 25 perameters with flame dampeners at all.
where are u getting these statements from?
If its  mark VI series II with the 500 lb in the bombay it most certainly is not modelled after the 21 merlins with dampeners.
please post these assumptions with data.

[FTJR]

one mine or depth charge under each wing

I've seen this mentioned before in passing, but cant find any hard data for it. Can you point the way please?

Be nice to sow a minefield in front of a cv group.

[Angus]

Well, how about a B24 for that ?

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Souless
The performance does not follow merlin 25 perameters with flame dampeners at all.
where are u getting these statements from?
If its  mark VI series II with the 500 lb in the bombay it most certainly is not modelled after the 21 merlins with dampeners.
please post these assumptions with data.

Its speed matches the line labled as a Merlin 25 Mosquito with flame dampers on the chart I have in one of my books.

What makes you say it doesn't match the performance of a Merlin 25 Mossie with flame dampers?

[Souless]

Because Karnak if it is able to hold the 500 lb bomb that right there suggests its a later merlin 25.
Until we know exactly what model we are trying to figure out it is we can continue to debate the issue without end.

[Krusty]

You assume it's any one model.

Look at all the other bastardized "generation 1" models this game has.

Don't expect to come to any conclusion. Look at the typhoon for example! Old 109s were mixed too. Old spits more so!

Don't expect it to be any "one" model. At the time that didn't seem to be HTCs criteria for coding aircraft into the game (no fault on their part, mind you, they just didn't focus on it like they do now).

[Souless]

Originally posted by Krusty
You assume it's any one model.

Look at all the other bastardized "generation 1" models this game has.

Don't expect to come to any conclusion. Look at the typhoon for example! Old 109s were mixed too. Old spits more so!

Don't expect it to be any "one" model. At the time that didn't seem to be HTCs criteria for coding aircraft into the game (no fault on their part, mind you, they just didn't focus on it like they do now).

I believe you have to have a base from which to make a standard krusty.
But there is a big difference from early merlin 25's and later merlin 25's.
But I digress at this point.
I have asked HTC to elaborate a bit on the issue to no avail.

[Krusty]

The flight performance data and the weapons choices are not always from the same plane. See the old SpitIX for an example.  Some strange version that had 50cals, bomb (or rockets?) and yet had the early 1942 flight performance.


I think it's incorrect to assume that they will match up, because they can be totally unrelated.

To ask which model we have, simply look at the flight performance. The weaponry is a side note. At least, that's what you have to do for "Generation 1" planes like the mossie.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Souless
Because Karnak if it is able to hold the 500 lb bomb that right there suggests its a later merlin 25.
Until we know exactly what model we are trying to figure out it is we can continue to debate the issue without end.

I don't see the conflict.  It is a Merlin 25 Mossie VI with flame dampers.

Many such could cary 500lb bombs.


If it were a Merlin 21 Mossie it would top out at less than 320mph at sea level.

[Souless]

i see a great conflict later merlin 25's ran at +23 boost early ones +16
early ones held the 250lb bombs later ones the 500lber's.
You cant simply say its an FB Mk VI with flame dampeners.

As was mentioned earlier it is a "first generation bastardization"
if thats the case then it is a FB Mk VI with flame dampeners.

[bozon]

No point in arguing of the exact version. In the old game HTC was not very particular about their exact models and went for a some "representative" model to act as several at once. Hence the 1942 spit 9 with the loadout of a later spit 9.

These days HTC seems to produce a coherent and better defined versions. I'm sure that when the Mosquito undergo the revision to AHII standards, it will be modified accordingly (see 109s, spits and F4U examples).

In light of the topic of this thread, the argument needs to be what version of Mosquito VI should be modeled for a future lineup.

By the way, does anyone have the date in which DH switched the mossie VI merlins to 25s?

[Karnak]

Souless,,

I've don't recall seen anything about Merlin 25s ever running at +16lbs boost.  They are, as I recall, +18lbs boost or +23lbs boost on 150 octane. It has been a bit since I intesively studied this stuff though and I could be mixing up the Merlin 25 and Merlin 66 boost setting on 100 octane. This has nothing to do with 250 or 500lb bombs or flame dampers.

Only the early Mosquito VIs were limited to 250lb bombs and those, so far as I can tell, all had Merlin 21s or 23s and started the order process as B.Mk IVs or F.Mk IIs.

As to the flame dampers, after the initial runs they stopped putting flame dampers on as factory standard, but they were still put on Mosquito Mk VIs that were intended to operate at night.  About 1/3rd had the dampers and the 2/3rd majority did not.


Bozon,

Right at the start.  Some VIs came off the lines with Merlin 21s, some with Merlin 23s and some with Merlin 25s from the very beginning of production.

[Souless]

all my data comes from summer august 1943

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Souless
all my data comes from summer august 1943

I mean, give us soem data.  Something.  There is a LOT of bad and misinformed stuff about the Mossie and I need to know where you are getting your info as it does not mesh with my best sources.