Author Topic: For anyone who has ANY interest in the Bf-109... (Read 3655 times)

Benny Moore · « **Reply #45 on:** June 10, 2007, 01:41:49 PM »

You're also forgetting that often "Me" was on the dataplate of the aircraft itself instead of "Bf." At any rate, quite aside from the Allied use of the term "Me," the Luftwaffe also used it. I don't care what the simulator-geek jargon is, I'll continue to use the term that the real pilots—on both sides—used.

Xasthur · « **Reply #46 on:** June 10, 2007, 02:23:21 PM »

Hahaha simulator geek jargon?

It's the official designation and I was simply informing you of this.

Do whatever you like with this information, it makes no difference to me.

Viking · « **Reply #47 on:** June 10, 2007, 03:33:39 PM »

Bayerische Flugzeugwerke (BFW) was the company that designed (among other aircraft) the Bf 109. Willy Messerschmitt was BFW's chief designer at that time. However in 1938 the company was officially renamed to Messerschmitt AG. Aircraft designed after the name change got the Me designation. And just like we don't call the Pony a Boeing P-51 just because Boeing now owns what's left of North American, we don't call the Bf 109 by the Me designation given to later designs.

Btw. Benny, the Germans don’t pronounce Me as “may”, but more like “meh” with a long “eh”. Here’s Airmess pronouncing a few common German aircraft names: Clicky!

1K3 · « **Reply #48 on:** June 10, 2007, 06:12:31 PM »

"Bf" switched to "Me" in 1938.

But the early war planes such as "Bf" 109E-4 and "Bf" 110C came out in 1939. Shouldn't these planes be designated as "Me" 109, 110, etc?

MstWntd · « **Reply #49 on:** June 10, 2007, 06:14:01 PM »

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Originally posted by 1K3
"Bf" switched to "Me" in 1938.

But the early war planes such as "Bf" 109E-4 and "Bf" 110C came out in 1939. Shouldn't these planes be designated as "Me" 109, 110, etc?

what was BF anyway,

FW=fokewolf (or however you spell it)
Me=Messersmitt (or however you spell that)

Lusche · « **Reply #50 on:** June 10, 2007, 06:22:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Spikey
what was BF anyway,

explained several times in this thread.

MstWntd · « **Reply #51 on:** June 10, 2007, 06:43:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Lusche
explained several times in this thread.

Yeah, I didn't feel like reading, but now I know.

Knegel · « **Reply #52 on:** June 10, 2007, 11:13:01 PM »

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Originally posted by 1K3
"Bf" switched to "Me" in 1938.

But the early war planes such as "Bf" 109E-4 and "Bf" 110C came out in 1939. Shouldn't these planes be designated as "Me" 109, 110, etc?

The basic design was 1st ofered by BF before 1938, thats the important factor.

Serenity · « **Reply #53 on:** June 10, 2007, 11:59:14 PM »

If you read the original document, I believe it points out that Bf was retained by the Luftwaffe for the 109 and 110 because they had already become famous for that name, and because they were designed before the goverment-forced company name-change. And as such, I will always call the Messerschmitt 109 the Bf-109.

Viking · « **Reply #54 on:** June 11, 2007, 01:32:54 AM »

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Originally posted by Serenity
...I will always call the Messerschmitt 109 the Bf-109.

There's no dash in Bf 109 you heretic!!!

Benny Moore · « **Reply #55 on:** June 11, 2007, 01:49:57 AM »

If you'll recall me pointing out, official Luftwaffe publications used "Me" as well, as did German pilots. Frankly, the fact that the Allied term was "Me" is enough for me to use it, technically correct or not. However, I have all the more reason to use it as well since both are technically correct. Ignore me if you wish, we've posted enough information that any interested party should be able to make his own decision. Good day.

Benny Moore · « **Reply #56 on:** June 11, 2007, 01:55:40 AM »

Wait, I can't resist pointing this out. This is from the original article, the one you Me-109 lovers are all raving about.

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Various myths
It's not Me 109, it is Bf 109, you dork!
Both are correct for the Messerschmitt 109 fighter. Both the factory and the Luftwaffe used both designations throughout the life of the 109. Both Bf 109 and Me 109 appear in "official" documents from a variety of 'official sources, from the production facilities themselves to internal RLM docs. It is wrong to say that 'Me 109' is incorrect or that Bf was terminated during construction of the 108-109-series fighter. These alternative designations didn't stop at the Gustav; many Augsburg documents from the last months of the war still used the Bf prefix. For simplicity, this article usually refers to the plane as Me 109.

gripen · « **Reply #57 on:** June 11, 2007, 02:14:24 AM »

In the early thirties the designation "Me" was used by F.X. Mehr (small manufacturer who made light planes), before his factory joined to the another manufacturer. Basicly the designation "Me" was used by competing manufacturer at the time Bf 109 was designed.

Viking · « **Reply #58 on:** June 11, 2007, 02:33:01 AM »

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Originally posted by Benny Moore
Frankly, the fact that the Allied term was "Me" is enough for me to use it, technically correct or not.

Actually I have the cover-sheet blueprint of the US reverse-engineering of the 109E framed and lighted on my wall. The designation used by the USAAF on this document was Messerschmitt Bf 109E-4.

Benny Moore · « **Reply #59 on:** June 11, 2007, 02:40:03 AM »

... And in just about every other document, "Me." Again, I've said enough. Good day.