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Offline Toad

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« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2007, 06:33:24 PM »
LOL.

Your type could watch a murder from 2 feet away and then be unable to decide who did it for certain.
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« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2007, 08:16:06 PM »
I'm a firm believer in the death penalty, but I am also against federally mandated sentence guidelines (why a low level drug dealer, or even drug user spends far more time behind bars than convicted killers is beyond me).

It is always funny when people drag out the USA still having the death penalty, when many western countries don't any more, but what I've never been able to find is what is the attrition rate behind bars of those other western prison systems.

I mean, if you are in squalid conditions where inmate violence is very common, or poor health care, or poor nutrition.... well, you don't really need a death penalty.

But, in the USA, people behind bars live in better conditions as to health, education availability, unlimited appeals, and general living conditions than what many servicemen and women of the USA live in on a regular basis.  (If prisoners had to put up with Tricare or the VA system, there'd be lawsuits coast to coast).

There are private prisons standing empty or underused in this country struggling to meet high standards of prisoner care, while government run prisons are so overcrowded that prisoners get early release if a bed cannot be found for everyone.


Sometimes it seems the whole system is falling apart.  Prison system.  Legal system. Political system.  Infrastructure.  Powergrid.  Border security.  Military Readiness.  Medical care.  Corruption.  Government waste.  
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« Reply #32 on: June 12, 2007, 10:49:07 PM »
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Originally posted by Toad
LOL.

Your type could watch a murder from 2 feet away and then be unable to decide who did it for certain.



Way to set the bar.  :aok

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« Reply #33 on: June 12, 2007, 11:22:02 PM »


There is no significant difference in the variation of the three lines on this graph.

So other than retribution, the DP is not a viable deterrrent.

(Sorry, those are homicide rates per 10,000)
« Last Edit: June 12, 2007, 11:25:10 PM by midnight Target »

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« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2007, 07:23:49 AM »
Again, MT, it's not about deterrence.

It's about 0% recidivism, and there's only one absolutely sure way to achieve that.


Thrawn, you're opposed to the DP in any and all cases. The evidence or guilt is not a factor for you. Why not just say that? It would be more honest.
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« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2007, 08:10:11 AM »
comparing state to state does not work... each state is different.

What you need to do is to compare in the state... compare in the states that have death penalties and then compare what the homicide rate is when you do executions and when you don't..

You will find out that in the state... as the number of executions goes up.. the number of capital crimes goes down.   It is smoke and mirrors to compare states with or without the penalty.  

Like comparing the murder rate of japan compared to the US and saying it is because they eat more rice or have gun control... or.. comparing the suicide rate of both countries and saying it is because one has more gun control and eats more rice.

No... you take japan or the US and you compare it to itself.   You compare it with more or less gun control or more or less rice consumption.

In states with the death penalty... after about 9 executions a year.. the more you execute the less capital crimes you have.

Thrawn is all upset that there may be one innocent man killed by the death penalty... none are known of course but... it could happen.

He is not at all upset about the hundreds... maybe thousands who will be killed either in prison or outside when the murderers get out.   Those lives he convieniently glosses over.

sickening.

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« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2007, 08:39:53 AM »
If a mistake or an error made on purpose and a person is executed for a crime they didn't commit...is it murder?
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« Reply #37 on: June 13, 2007, 08:53:25 AM »
it is a mistake.   unless it was done knowing the man was innocent then it is murder... if it was done with negligence it could be a form of manslaugter.

So far as anyone knows.. there are no know cases tho.   I imagine it will be even harder with dna and such.

If you let a murderer live and he kills while in prison.. are you a murderer too?  what about if you let him out and he kills?

Or do those even count?  is that just fate or bad luck or something like that?

nobodies fault really..  what could have been done?  nothing really....

Yeah.. something could have been done... you coulda put the poor sick psycho MFer out of his missery and saved everyone a lot of grief.


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