Islamophobia and Salman Rushdie

[Dadano]

Originally posted by Yeager
You are absofreakinglutely nuts.
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with all due respect: Don't be so naive as to think this could not possibly happen.  You would be well advised to start thinking along these lines: what do I (you and the rest of us) need to do to survive in a world at war.  

As far as Mosques in my neck of the woods: If it ever came down to a declaration of Sharia law in the United States, the mosques would be gone in a heartbeat.

I think Jesus is going to come back and save us before it comes to this.

[bustr]

Originally posted by Dadano
I think Jesus is going to come back and save us before it comes to this.

Dano,

Shhhhhhhhhh.......dont cha know muslims are members of boards like this with shadow accounts so they can take names against the day they all get the big word from mecca.................

[storch]

Originally posted by Yeager
As far as Mosques in my neck of the woods: If it ever came down to a declaration of Sharia law in the United States, the mosques would be gone in a heartbeat.

word

[Gunthr]

i'm getting pretty tired of hearing this religion of peace put out death fatwas and threatening violence over things like this.  

muslims put cartoons in arabic newspapers every day depicting jews and christians as satanic pigs who drink the blood of muslim children and so on, but throw a tantrum and threaten violence when a danish cartoon depicts mohamad as a violent person with a bomb for a hat.

ironically, Rushdie's book only told the truth - and pointed out how violent these people are.  So what do they do?  put out a violent murder fatwa on him, basically proving his point for him.  

Rushdie deserved the knighthood for snagging that very good looking indian woman for his wife anyway.

[Yeager]

Is the insane or what? Scarey stuff....

"Any attack using Weapons of Mass Destruction against the United States, by any organization affiliated with, or acting on behalf of the Muslim faith, will be construed by the American Government as an attack by all of the islamic faithful against all Americans.  Such an attack will result in a nuclear retaliatory strike against all sacred shrines of islam and all nations that are theocracratic Islamic governments, destroying them and all their inhabitants, and rendering the ground around them uninhabbitable for 10,000 years."

[FiLtH]

Amen

[crockett]

I'm more afraid of the Religious Right in America than some Islamic extremist group in the middle east.

[Yeager]

I'm more afraid of the Religious Right in America
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Tammy Faye scared me too, but I overcame my fear of people with foot long eyelashes

[crockett]

Originally posted by john9001
there has been more than one crusade.

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it is time for the last crusade, this time it will not be with knights in armor but with cruise missiles and smart bombs.

Makes sense.. we don't want them telling us what to do and blowing us up. So we will tell them what to do and blow them up instead.

[Wolfala]

Originally posted by crockett
Makes sense.. we don't want them telling us what to do and blowing us up. So we will tell them what to do and blow them up instead.

I dunno, as a rational human being - I trust myself with nuclear weapons. I just don't trust anyone with nuclear weapons who thinks its fine to massa**** people with C4 belts, assassinate anyone who can possibly have an intelligent dialog on current affairs in the world, or have a discussion on their faith and beliefs.

At least with the Soviet Union, the U.S. and USSR were rational actors who knew the consequences of war with each other. These guys, they're logic can be summed up in "Blame the Jews!"; "Blame the U.S.!"; but never themselves or the people they look to as their leaders of Government (despotic or not) or, dare I say it with the risk of being knifed by some Egyptian from Sacramento - their religious interpretation and value system.

[crockett]

Originally posted by Wolfala
I dunno, as a rational human being - I trust myself with nuclear weapons. I just don't trust anyone with nuclear weapons who thinks its fine to massa**** people with C4 belts, assassinate anyone who can possibly have an intelligent dialog on current affairs in the world, or have a discussion on their faith and beliefs.

At least with the Soviet Union, the U.S. and USSR were rational actors who knew the consequences of war with each other. These guys, they're logic can be summed up in "Blame the Jews!"; "Blame the U.S.!"; but never themselves or the people they look to as their leaders of Government (despotic or not) or, dare I say it with the risk of being knifed by some Egyptian from Sacramento - their religious interpretation and value system.

Kinda funny you think that..

Iraq wasn't even close to have nuclear bombs..

Yet Iran is getting closer everyday .. North Korea has denoted test bombs yet why aren't we attacking them?

You trust  little Kim Jong and The holy Ali Khamenei with a nuclear bombs?

If we are going to attack in fear of a nuclear threat why did we not attack the real nuclear threats?

[Momus--]

Originally posted by Seagoon
Now Yeager, we all know that Christianity is just as bad as Islam

If you're talking threat levels then The Christian far right are much better placed to take power in the USA than the Islamists. If you're a secular type that might be quite a worry.

and as the Spanish found out the hard way, giving in to the demands of Islamic militants does not actually cause them to stop blowing you up.

Are you back on the drugs again? Spain pulled out of Iraq because it was a manifesto commitment from the PSOE  in line with what the population wanted before the Madrid bombing.

[My hope is that we will come to our senses and end the practice of seriously limiting the freedom of speech and worship of Westerners in an attempt to pacify Islamists.

What rights of westerners to worship are limited in this fashion and for this reason?

If riots in Islamabad and death threats from the ummah and its leaders become the reason we do or don't knight individuals,

Which they're plainly not or are ever likely to be..

do or don't publish cartoons

You mean the cartoons that were reprinted all over the western hemisphere, right?

and so on, then we will already have lost our liberty.

Pure hyerbole,  since none of the circumstances you describe have actually happened or are ever likely to.

What's next, should we execute apostate Muslims like Rushdie ourselves lest Islamists become offended at our allowing him to continue to live contrary to Sharia law?

Are you for real? The only one suggesting this is you.

It's time we decided that tantrums, threats, and even attacks on their part are not going to cause us to conform to their ideology.

We don't need to decide that because it is already the general position.

Nurse!

[Toad]

Originally posted by Curval
and it was met with a resounding "NO!" there.

That time.

June 6, 2007

Muhammad is now second only to Jack as the most popular name for baby boys in Britain and is likely to rise to No 1 by next year, a study by The Times has found.

Sometime in the future that question will probably be met with a resounding "Death to the Infidels!"

[Momus--]

Funny Toad, it makes me laugh how that factoid gets repeated as if it has any kind of special significance. Do you really need to have the statistical effect of 2.8% of the population all giving their sons the same name spelt out to you?

Didn't you have a brain once or are you just trolling?

Linky

[phookat]

Originally posted by crockett
I'm more afraid of the Religious Right in America than some Islamic extremist group in the middle east.

I'm not.  Christianity around here is mostly tempered by the reformation and enlightenment values (in effect saying "we're gonna ignore those parts of the Bible").  Islam hasn't had it's reformation yet, and such a reformation seems unlikely.  Most attempts at trying to put religion into the government here in the US fail (see Dover, PA).  Or when they succeed they are pretty mild and meaningless (listing the 10 commandments in a court or whatever) and ridiculed anyway.

One of the scariest things IMO is the rapid influx of hardcore muslims into Europe, where a lot of them want Sharia.  They take advantage of the secularity of Europe to the utmost, demanding respect for misogyny and other very non-enlightenment ideas...but if they had a majority would vote Sharia into law and overturn those very enlightenment values.  Can we afford to extend tolerance to the intolerant?  How far do we go--do we allow "honor killings" as well?  How about jailing gang rape victims as "adulteresses"?

Fortunately, we have a constitution here in the US.