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Offline 1Duke1

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« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2007, 11:23:17 PM »
Grits always was into sloppy seconds......:eek:
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« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2007, 11:38:23 PM »
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What ever happened to that video?

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It's on You Tube, among several other places . . .

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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2007, 11:45:09 PM »
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i'm tired greedy shy score putas  vets saving kills and points for retirement always complaining about poor nobs strafing a wounded plane,



and he ended with a ,

he must have gotten discoed...:D
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« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2007, 11:48:12 PM »
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ok ok this thread isnt meant to be a flamefest or a name and shame lets get that right from the outset.

I would like to ask, has "kill stealing" become rife recently ?

We all know it takes many forms, from out and out blatant shooting the fuselage of a wingless aircraft as it falls to the deck, to more subtle techniques like person a calls his target dives in someone decides to race person A to it and normally comes booming past and person A ends up maybe kill shooting him or herself.

I would say that latter isn't really kill stealing, but more of a frustration.

I am posting this because I have seen a few people mention it, and I've been witness to it a LOT recently...

Your thoughts please, and remember I don't want this to be a flame thread or a name and shame thread. Perhaps someone could post the etiquette of the game and the unwritten rules in case any new players are reading :)

Thanks guys


well...i guess in a way i may or may not be guilty of this.....see...my marksmanship REALLY sucks......although its getting better. so, here's the scenario.......i'm fighting this bogie.....lets say its a spit9, vs my hurri2(EW and i still need the cannons) so i can easily outturn him about 1/2 the time, i pop a few rounds at him, but miss....or possibly see a flash on the very tip of his wing. regardless,,this is going on for a couple of minutes now.....then suddenly, with no warning or calls, i hear an engine bearing down on me hard and fast.....as i'm just about to squeeze the trigger again, i don'yt look back..then next i know, there comes a friendly blasting past me from the ionosphere, fires a single burst, and disables my bogie......then he climbs back up to safety........in this instance, i DO follow my bogie all the way down, shooting at him till i break his plane more for him. so i guess in a sort of way i'm stealing that kill. but i'm stealing the kill that was stolen from me....so am i really stealing the kill then? or did the friendly steal it from me forcing me to have to steal it back from him for stealing it from me?


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« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2007, 12:17:24 AM »
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then next i know, there comes a friendly blasting past me from the ionosphere

You play for the Rooks don't ya. LOL

In that instance you are just claiming what is yours.  But all to often, it is when 3 or more planes chase a plane and the first plane shoots off the enemies wing.  As the plane goes down, the three other boneheads chase it to the ground guns blazing intentionally trying to steal the kill from the person that shot the wing off. :huh  Now how lame is that.

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« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2007, 12:35:57 AM »
Kills stolen= Assists x hit % :lol

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« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2007, 01:36:16 AM »
Very thin line between eliminating a threat and stealing a kill.  Sometimes burning zeros can carry on fighting for over a minute.

Elevator kills   the guy could be having a nice (trip) back to earth and maybe a friendly thinks he is still up or stalling out.  I always call those on range vox so people around me know he is dead.

Half the time people see the nearest red icon and fly straight to it like a bull in a china shop.  Oblivious of the other 10 guys inbound.  If you see a guy on someones 6 or duking it out leave them too it and find another enemy.  Unless they are squealing for help.

There are other times where I might be RTB to find a runway warrior or porking princess getting chased by a couple of friendlies.  If I have E to kill him quick my shot would make quick work of him whereas the friendlies might be sitting there spraying.   Whatever it takes to get the field clear and for me to re-arm or land quicker.


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« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2007, 01:43:12 AM »
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You play for the Rooks don't ya. LOL

funny ya should say......in LW, yes...thats when the scenario imentioned usually happens.....in EW i fly knights......doesn't happen so much there.....

In that instance you are just claiming what is yours.  But all to often, it is when 3 or more planes chase a plane and the first plane shoots off the enemies wing.  As the plane goes down, the three other boneheads chase it to the ground guns blazing intentionally trying to steal the kill from the person that shot the wing off. :huh  Now how lame is that.

yes...that is very lame.......

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« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2007, 01:44:25 AM »
I always make it a practice to watch what's going on in the fight before actually engaging.  Many times I don't even engage because the green dots are winning and one extra set of guns won't help a whole lot so I'll be on the lookout for other baddies coming into the AO.

The only times I'll actually ever zoom on an enemy engaged in a dogfight with a friend is if I see the enemy gain an overwhelming advantage, in which case I'll fly like a bat out of hell to try and bail out the friendly.
Never heard any complaints, but I have gotten killed several times for it.
(Where does that bloody damned spitfire come from? Seriously every time I bail out a friendly and am about to return to alt there's a spitfire on my tail from nowhere...)



I don't see the whole point behind getting upset of kill stealing, having played MMORPGS for the past decade or so kill stealing is fairly common.  However AH has a uniqe aspect in which you simply don't help the not-so-friendly out if he steals your kill.  If he's so bad a pilot he has to chase a burning wreck to the ground to get his perk points then he'll get into trouble pretty easily.

Karma can sometimes be the deadliest of flak.

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« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2007, 06:24:47 AM »
One wonders how many of this new batch of "tunnell visioned kill stealers" will one day vie for first place fighter scores. It's only an extension of the "picking" strategy employed by so many. They just wait for someone else to do a bit more of the dirty work before claiming the prize.

It's not surprising that this post comes after a "fighter town" rotation. Big furballs are the worst scenarios for gentlemanly fights. Sometimes there's just too much going on.

In time it will ebb when the new batch of flyers gets yelled at , or sees someone else yelled at for less than courteous behavior.

My suggestions;

- If you come across an engagement ask if help's needed. If no answer, try to
  figure out if you should join the fight as a TEAM player. Let the other friendly
  get the kill if he can. Try to keep the enemy guessing by  maneuvering
  within the fight but try to stay clear of the shot path.

- Walk (or fly) away from conga lines.

- Avoid burning planes, if they turn to you KILL them. Unless they pose a
  threat to your side

All said, I still sometimes get between shooter and shootee, occasionall fire at a disabled plane (offset shot, can't see target), or make a pass through a tracer stream while trying to get an angle. Sorry to all when I do. I would rather you know me as a guy who has your six and can be called upon when it gets hairy than a guy who you need to watch out for lest you waste time fighting for the betterment of my kill ratio.

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« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2007, 07:20:45 AM »
BooHoo-BKs are whiners:p
guys good fights!
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« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2007, 10:39:20 AM »
Halcyon has the first 5 down, but here are the ones I'd add:

6. Give the other guy the benefit of any doubt - chances are 99 out of 100 he's not doing "whatever" intentionally just because it p***es you off.
7. Play to your own satisfactions, and grant others mental "permission" to play to theirs - even if the aspects of the game that you each enjoy are very different.  There  is room for everyone to enjoy themselves that way.
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« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2007, 11:35:23 AM »
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It's not surprising that this post comes after a "fighter town" rotation.  


Thruster Last night there was no FT map in play and it was possibly THE worst night since I've been back - One flight I got 9 assist's of which at least 5 should have been my kills.

Either way as people say it will balance out, I just feel that with the squeekers, some of us more experienced players could perhaps throw them some pointers on etiquette if we see this happening in the MA :)

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« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2007, 04:27:33 PM »
I like sarcasm.

"Thanks for clearing that bandit off my 12" means $%*^%$&^#^@#^%#^&((*^(*&(*^(*^(*^)&^#%#))(&*.

Unless it's a squaddie, then it's expected and followed by some form of "neener, neener, neener" on squad channel.

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