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Offline tedrbr

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« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2007, 04:18:38 PM »
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I love the A20, "snake in the grass"....
It would be truly awesome, if it had the right kind of bombs...

OG

You mean like:
Internal Bays Options
* 4 × 1,000 lb
* 8 × 500 lb
* 8 × 250 lb
* 12 × 100 lb

Wings - 4 Mount Points Options
* 14 x 5-inch rockets
* 8 X 5-inch rockets and 2 -230 gallon drop tanks
* 4 × 500 lb
* 4 × 250 lb

6 X .50's X 400 rpg in the wing leading edge
8 X .50's X 400 rpg in the nose
4 X .50's X 500 rpg in two twin barbette mounts.

....and powered by a pair of Pratt & Whitney R-2800-27 "Double Wasp" 18-cylinder radial engines; Horsepower: 2000 HP each (1,500 kW) ?

Oh, wait, that was the A-26B Invader.   Nevermind.


As to why A-20G's might be seen more may be the difficulty some IL-2 pilots are having taking out Shermans since their introduction.   So, instead of gunning them down with Hurri-2D's and IL2's, they are getting buff-dived with ord.  Putting all those .50's into GV's afterward can get a pilot some kills and assists.  


As to the P-38's... it's always nice to see a P-38 cruise missile auger into the target it JABO'd a moment before.  Pure talent.

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« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2007, 04:23:39 PM »
Yeah, the A26 was A**KICKIN TOO....

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« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2007, 04:24:37 PM »
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Yeah, the A26 was A**KICKIN TOO....

OG


Now for the obligatory ted whine.


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« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2007, 04:53:25 PM »
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Then I guess the genuine WW2 films of A20's and B25's dropping 500lb'ers with drag chutes, right over the tops of straw huts in the SOPAC are fake right....LOL!!!!

And my reply said NOTHING about parafrags!!!!

Guess again boy!!!

OG


1. Parafrags and bombs with drag chutes are the same thing.
2. The A-20 Havoc only carried parafrags on wingmounts and those were the 23lb fragmentation bomb of which 40 could be mounted on the wings.
3. From the angles of the war footage, what looked like 25ft above a hut in reality was probably around 250-300ft if they were making a bomb run.
4.  Bombs needed time to arm, which is why most of them had those little spinners on them.  Dropping them at 50ft, even with a drag chute probably wouldn't be sufficient time for the bomb to arm and would be close for the plane to escape the blast radius (a blast radius from a 500lb bomb is quite big).
5.  B-25 is a different plane than the A-20, so it may have been able to carry a 500lb parafrag.

Now it's time for you to show your cards.  Please, show us video or authentic photograph of an A-20 dropping a parafrag 500 pounder at 50ft.  


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« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2007, 06:56:47 PM »
I love it when "newbies" come on the boards a pick fights!..... someone pass the popcorn please

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« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2007, 07:01:53 PM »
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« Reply #36 on: June 23, 2007, 01:46:20 PM »
Hmmm should be in german :rofl
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« Reply #37 on: June 23, 2007, 02:13:34 PM »
I've been flying the A20G for the past few months now and have found it to be great plane for GV killin and surprising unwary pilots.  8 500lbs eggs and 8 .50 cal gun give a decent array of options in dealing with GVs and planes.  Once ord has been dropped, the A20G is surprisingly manuverable.  The WEP is so so, better than none.  It can take some damage and still fly, though Flaks can take it down in 1 to 3 hits--3 being the most mine has ever taken from a Flak and lived.  I prefer it over the IL2.

I enjoy the plane very much, wish it had 2000 more MG rounds......:noid
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I love to GV and do Jabo missions vs GVs, get used to it.  Being good at one helps in the other.

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« Reply #38 on: June 23, 2007, 02:25:01 PM »
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Then I guess the genuine WW2 films of A20's and B25's dropping 500lb'ers with drag chutes, right over the tops of straw huts in the SOPAC are fake right....LOL!!!!

And my reply said NOTHING about parafrags!!!!

Guess again boy!!!

OG


     I don't think I've ever seen a 500 lb drag-chuted bomb.  The chute
would have to be enormous, even the high drags they dropped over
Vietnam used mechanical devices .



     Oops, upon further research, I was wrong.  They still didn't use this
in WW2, but they do have a parachute retarded large bomb.
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« Reply #39 on: June 23, 2007, 02:42:07 PM »
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There are other bombers that get used more... Like P-38 for example...




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« Reply #40 on: June 23, 2007, 06:39:11 PM »
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Originally posted by stroker71
Is there a graph somewhere on plane usage?  I would love to see it.  

I played around in the TA dive bombing with the A20 and felt I would use it in the game.  Seems like when I started using it and landing kills I saw more of them.  Now when I am in a GV I dred seeing A20 coming at me more the IL2's.   Or is it like when you buy a new car, think you bought something unique and see 50 of them on the way home!

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you actually think you brought the A20 into popularaty :rofl
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« Reply #41 on: June 23, 2007, 07:33:11 PM »
not just the bombs are retarded in this thread. :)

On a more serious note: what's the placarded dive speed of the A-20?
If it didnt lose its elevators so quickly it would be a decent fighter.
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« Reply #42 on: June 23, 2007, 08:03:00 PM »
Some of the HISTORIC P38 Groups that were equipped with the P38 were
the:
475th Fighter Group
80th Fighter Group
55th Fighter Group

Anybody see the designation BOMBER for a group equipped with a P38? :)

Its a P 38, not a A38 ( as for designation Attack, like A20 )or a B38 ( As in B25, B17 Bombers...)

The 2 highest scoring American FIGHTER aces of the war were Richard Bong ( yes, Bong, as in the pipe some of you are smoking from :) )  and Thomas McGuire...P38 pilots both.

The P38 was a multi role FIGHTER, with the ability to also carry healthy loads of ordinance...just like the modern day F18 Hornet & F16 Falcon....do you P38 is a bomber folks consider those to be bombers too? :p

Everyone in sims uses the term jabo for this, which while correct in summing up the role is actually a German term for a fighter bomber, usually referring to the Fw190 series....is the Fw190 a bomber too ?

Oh, and in WW2 there was no such thing in the American arsenal as a 500 lb parafrag...they were 24 lbs

http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/P/a/Parafrag_Bombs.htm

While this very well may be bait, consider me with hook fully planted in cheek :)  If not, here endeth the history lesson


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« Reply #43 on: June 24, 2007, 02:52:20 AM »
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not just the bombs are retarded in this thread. :)

On a more serious note: what's the placarded dive speed of the A-20?
If it didnt lose its elevators so quickly it would be a decent fighter.



Here's a tip for pulling out of a 400mph+ IAS dive.  Gently pull back on the stick, pull no more than 3Gs.  As soon as you pull a hair over 3Gs on the pullout, the elevators will snap.  Keep the pull out under 3Gs and you'll be okay, just remember to start your pull out early.


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« Reply #44 on: June 24, 2007, 06:19:31 AM »
i know :)

The thing is, having to nurse it out of dive is strange for a bomber without a bombsight (which basically makes it a necessity to dive bomb).
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