War and the history of Wars and how they are started

[Citabria]

ok let me clarify jeff king is the name of the mit engineer I am refering to in the middle of this video...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4488542891415681105&hl=en

he helped rebuild twa flight 800 from little bits.

[AKIron]

Peace is over rated.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by eskimo2
My wife pulling my chain?  I guess she, her bosses, co-workers, work associates and college friends must have all been pulling a fast one on me.  I’d have trouble recalling all the architects and draftsmen I know and have spoken with about various aspects of the job.  One thing I can tell you is that with any field of college study the real world turns out much different than you think once you are employed.  

Anyone involved in a project is responsible for his or her work and can be sued.  The architect is always involved if something goes wrong, however.  They regularly make site visits to ensure that the correct materials are being used and procedures are being followed.  It seemed that every project someone’s doing something wrong and the architect is the one who tells them to do it again/right.  Sure, contractors use sub contractors and check their work also, etc.  

The larger and more unique a project, the more likely an architect is directly involved.  Cookie cutter neighborhoods often go up without architects, but not skyscrapers or big buildings.  My wife did a lot of LDS churches.  They have three designs, small, medium and large.  Drop any blind Mormon off at any LDS church anywhere and they could find their way around just like it was their home stake (provided the same size).  The LDS church hires architects to see the project through even though the building plan is essentially done (except for the site plan).  Why do they bother to go through an architecture firm?

The solution here is really simple.  Get your hands on a standard design contract.  Then you'll see that no architect or engineer will sign a contract that does not indemnify themselves from fault for anything.

I'll be waiting your apology.

[eskimo2]

Google "architect liability" = 1,180,000 hits.  Google their insurance, why do they even have it?

[Elfie]

Originally posted by Citabria
ok let me clarify jeff king is the name of the mit engineer I am refering to in the middle of this video...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4488542891415681105&hl=en

he helped rebuild twa flight 800 from little bits.

I watched that guy in the middle. The one thing that seems to be common to all of these videos is that they seem to ignore the ramifications of nearly 400,000 lbs hitting the Towers at 500mph+.

That much weight hitting the towers at that speed is going to cause some serious structural damage. The mass associated with a 767 is also going to penetrate and do a lot of internal damage.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Citabria
being a history buff was doing some reading and found an interesting quote..

McKinley didn't convince the people. As I understand it, William Randolph Hearst deserves the credit for motivating the populace. His paper even provided pictures on how the saboteurs had attached the mine to the Maine.

[john9001]

sandy is right, it was Hearst that pushed for the war to sell more papers.

[indy007]

Originally posted by Sandman
McKinley didn't convince the people. As I understand it, William Randolph Hearst deserves the credit for motivating the populace. His paper even provided pictures on how the saboteurs had attached the mine to the Maine.

Well... it's wikipedia, but it's better than nothing. Yellow Journalism

Pulitzer and Hearst are often credited (or blamed) for drawing the nation into the Spanish-American War with sensationalist stories or outright lying. In fact, the vast majority of Americans did not live in New York City, and the decision makers who did live there probably relied more on staid newspapers like the Times, The Sun or the Post. The most famous example of the exaggeration is the apocryphal story that artist Frederic Remington telegrammed Hearst to tell him all was quiet in Cuba and "There will be no war." Hearst responded "Please remain. You furnish the pictures and I'll furnish the war." The story (a version of which appears in the Hearst-inspired Orson Welles film Citizen Kane) first appeared in the memoirs of reporter James Creelman in 1901, and there is no other source for it.

But Hearst was a war hawk after a rebellion broke out in Cuba in 1895. Stories of Cuban virtue and Spanish brutality soon dominated his front page. While the accounts were of dubious accuracy, the newspaper readers of the 19th century did not need, or necessarily want, his stories to be pure nonfiction. Historian Michael Robertson has said that "Newspaper reporters and readers of the 1890s were much less concerned with distinguishing among fact-based reporting, opinion and literature."[16]

Pulitzer, though lacking Hearst's resources, kept the story on his front page. The yellow press covered the revolution extensively and often inaccurately, but conditions on Cuba were horrific enough. The island was in a terrible economic depression, and Spanish general Valeriano Weyler, sent to crush the rebellion, herded Cuban peasants into concentration camps and caused hundreds of thousands of deaths. Having clamored for a fight for two years, Hearst took credit for the conflict when it came: A week after the United States declared war on Spain, he ran "How do you like the Journal's war?" on his front page.[17] In fact, President William McKinley never read the Journal, and newspapers like the Tribune and the New York Evening Post, both staunchly Republican, demanded restraint. Moreover, journalism historians have noted that yellow journalism was largely confined to New York City, and that newspapers in the rest of the country did not follow their lead. The Journal and the World were not among the top ten sources of news in regional papers, and the stories simply did not make a splash outside Gotham. [18] War came because public opinion was sickened by the bloodshed, and because conservative leaders like McKinley realized that Spain had lost control of Cuba. These factors weighed more on the president's mind than the melodramas in the New York Journal.[19]

Hearst sailed directly to Cuba, when the invasion began, as a war correspondent, providing sober and accurate accounts of the fighting. [20] Creelman later praised the work of the reporters for exposing the horrors of Spanish misrule, arguing, " no true history of the war . . . can be written without an acknowledgment that whatever of justice and freedom and progress was accomplished by the Spanish-American war was due to the enterprise and tenacity of yellow journalists, many of whom lie in unremembered graves."[21]

[4deck]

Here you go Citabria

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7516705476148472744&hl=en

This will scare the S**T out of you, if your not already

Dont worry though, 2012 is coming

[x0847Marine]

Originally posted by mipoikel
Winter war 1939

According to the archives of Soviet party leader Andrei Zhdanov, the entire incident was orchestrated in order to paint Finland as an aggressor and launch an offensive.

Our .gov had "Operation Northwoods"

"a 1962 plan by the US Department of Defense to cause acts of terrorism and violence on US soil or against US interests, blamed on Cuba, in order to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government.."

"thanks for voting us into power.... now we're going to kill you so when your kids die in war, you wont be sad"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

[4deck]

The previous post actually shows operation Northwood inacted and the operation wasnt just for Cuba.

The boat was a listening post off Isreal. Now declassified.

The rabbit hole is very deep, if you really start to investagate.

[Seagoon]

Seems plausible to me Citabria.

First the Bush Administration fakes out America for eight years with a masterful creation called the Clinton administration (designed expressly to make liberalism look bad and make the rigged election of "W" in 2000 seem possible.) The Clinton Administration operation runs for eight years relying heavily on the skills of Pixar and Disney Animatronics and a giant cybetronic shrew developed by the Rand Corporation. During this time they also make use of Skunkworks time travel devices developed from parts of the alien spacecraft that crashed in Roswell in the 1950s. Travelling back in time, a CIA agent posing as an angel contacts a 7th century Arabian named Muhammad and passes him a dossier approved by the CFR known as "Quran." This document teaches the Arabians expansionism and aggressive war in the name of religion.

Meanwhile back in the 20th century the CIA hires Mossad to bomb the WTC and then blames it on a 3-D hologram projected from the Shuttle known as "Bin-Laden". Meanwhile in an effort to corner the Heroin market, Dick Cheney and Haliburton authorize operation Taliban. This also provides a cover for the Bin-Laden hologram to be deactivated in the Sudan (where Sudanese officials were beginning to wonder why he never actually touched anyone) and replaced by double in Afghanistan (realizing they need a real human, the CIA recruits a member of ZZ-Top as no one has ever seen them without sunglasses and a hat). Following the rigged election of 2000, officials in Haliburton authorize the demolition of the WTC in order to create a pretext for actually seizing Iraq and eventually nuking Iran (which they calculate will drive oil prices sky high). Using a cover company - Solomon brothers - operatives posing as stock brokers infilitrate the building and place demolition explosives designed to look like PC monitors at critical points in the building. Meanwhile four airliners are taken over by Mossad Agents, and flown to secret government bases were the crew and passengers are disposed of. Simultaneously, 3 cruise missles are fired at the WTC and Pentagon and a hole in the ground in Pennsylvania is created by a controlled detonation. Relatives and friends are misled with Computer AI generated "cell phone conversations" pieced together from intercepted phone calls secretly taken from the actual passengers in the months leading up to their respective flights. The cruise missles hit the buildings just as Langley with the assistance of its "Fox News" operation takes over the feed from every major news outfit and replaces it with imagery generated by Pixar.

Pretty simple really, and just what you'd expect from a guy who can't pronounce "nuclear."

- SEAGOON

[Speed55]

Seagoon, that's the first one that's ever made sense.
When are you going to follow up with a website and flyers?

[Elfie]

Seagoon you crack me up sometimes.

[Citabria]

Originally posted by 4deck
Here you go Citabria

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7516705476148472744&hl=en

This will scare the S**T out of you, if your not already

Dont worry though, 2012 is coming

fascinating