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Offline Oldman731

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« on: August 28, 2007, 04:52:37 PM »
Figured that on Friday we'd run Shifty's setup, as put forth in his thread of June 26 (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=208793&referrerid=4533).  

Here's the MOTD as presently written; we've got a couple of days yet to entertain comments.

- Oldman


Clash of Empires - Burma, 1944
Japan's Last Major Offensive

Imperial Japanese Army units thrust towards Assam
in the Northwest, while Imperial Japanese Army
Air Force pilots attacked airfields being used to
fly missions across the hump. One attack against a
British air base, code named "Broadway", destroyed
the base along with most of the RAF fighters on it.

By June 1944 with the town of Imphal close to
surrender, elements of the 14th Army managed to break
through the Japanese perimeter, forcing a withdrawl
of the Japanese units. Within days of the begining
of the withdrawl, RAF Mosquito, Hurricane, Spitfire,
and Thunderbolt units began a year-long operation to
destroy the Japanese army in Burma.


Map - Rangoon

Allies:

Hurricane IIC
Spitfire VIII
P-47D-25 Thunderbolt
Mosquito
C-47 Gooney Bird
M3
M8


Axis:

A6M5 (Ki-43III substitute)
Ki-61 Tony
Ki-84 Frank
Ki-67 Peggy
C-47 Tabby
M3
M8


NOTES:
Thanks to Shifty for coming up with this setup.

We have set up several contested zones on the map, so
that players can conduct different types of operations
simultaneously.  (The actual 1944 campaign was waged
just off the northwest edge of the AH map.)


SETTINGS:

Radar:  Tower 237,600, Sector 369,600
Visibility: 12 miles
Field Ack:  low-level and puffy are both .25
Killshooter is on
Fuel burn rate is 1.0
Strat is disabled

AND PLEASE REMEMBER:  Civil behavior is valued,
and required, in this arena.
« Last Edit: August 28, 2007, 04:57:04 PM by Oldman731 »

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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2007, 05:32:20 PM »
Only RAF units for the Allies?  



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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2007, 09:03:23 PM »
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Only RAF units for the Allies?  

I believe that is historically accurate.  We're always amenable to being educated.

- oldman (but, um, I'm pretty sure there were no 38s there)

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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2007, 08:45:53 AM »
It took me about 10 minutes of internet cruisin to find this.  


The Forgotten Air War: The Royal Air Force in the War against Japan, 1941–1945 by Henry Probert. Brassey’s Inc., 22883 Quicksilver Drive, no. 100, Dulles, Virginia 20166, 1995, 381 pages, $44.95.

http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/bookrev/probert.html

The Main reason I'm showing ya'll this, is it sounds like a good Historical Document, and it gives decent credeence to the Planeset, as it is.  If Historical ( I haven't researched  or read it yet, other than the link I provided), then having primarily British A/C, with some USAAF A/C tossed in, seems correct.  And it seems that, if I understood the review, then the Allied Air Forces became a cohesive Unit, and fairly quickly gained Air Superiority over the region.  If I comprehended what I read, the latter part of 44 and most of 45 were more in the air to ground support Role, than in gaining  air superiority.  If so, then Shifty's idea for the planes used for the 1st part of 44 seem correct.

Just an opinion, and only my own at that, yet i got the feeling, after reading the review, that this particular " Air War" was one logistical nightmare for both sides.  It just did not seem like very many, if any, of the "newer, Higher Performance A/C" got to this Theatre of Ops.  I kind of got the impression that there might have still been some A6M2's flyin Around, as well as a Few P-40's, P39's, etc, whatever the Commanders could scrounge or steal.   :D  As far as what was available for them to "Scrounge or Steal", I'm still doing some research.  It will not suprise me any, to find FM-2s from Australia, or any other "outmoded", A/C you can think of, being used on a regular basis, in this particular theatre, by this time.  Maybe even a few P-38Gs, lol.

The review of this book sounds good, and I'm thinking of adding it to My Library.

wikipedia [shakes his head] also gives references, to include USAAF Units that flew with the RAF in the latter part of the Burma Air Campagne, yet I try not to quote wikipedia unless I have other sources that back their info up. :rolleyes:
« Last Edit: August 29, 2007, 10:30:36 AM by Jaekart »

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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2007, 10:30:36 AM »
Thanks for giving it a try OM.

Ack Ack, my intent was to focus down on a very small part of the war. With the limted Japanese planeset, I thought maybe limiting the Allied set to a like number of planes might give the setup a more localized historical feel.
Piling on USAAF late war like the P51b or P-38s, would make this  setup just like any other late PTO. Where the USAAF and USN/USMC have models coming out of their ears, against a limited choice on the Japanese side.

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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2007, 08:19:39 PM »
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Originally posted by Oldman731
I believe that is historically accurate.  We're always amenable to being educated.

- oldman (but, um, I'm pretty sure there were no 38s there)


80th "Burma Banshees" FG/10th AAF CBI flew in Assam Valley in Northeastern India in support of Allied forces from September '43 to May '44 (might be April though) and didn't withdraw from CBI until VJ-Day.  From their base of operations in Assam Valley, they were able to provide air support for allied forces in the area and also provided air support for Merrill's Mauraders and IIRC, army engineers building the Ledo road in Burma.  The 80th flew a mix of P-38s and P-40Ns while in the CBI.

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't asking for adding the P-38, P-40 or any other US plane.  Just wanted to know if this was just a set up for RAF allied units and Shifty's explanation on the setup answered my question.  Thanks for your help as well



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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2007, 08:36:08 PM »
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80th "Burma Banshees" FG/10th AAF CBI flew in Assam Valley in Northeastern India in support of Allied forces from September '43 to May '44 (might be April though) and didn't withdraw from CBI until VJ-Day.  From their base of operations in Assam Valley, they were able to provide air support for allied forces in the area and also provided air support for Merrill's Mauraders and IIRC, army engineers building the Ledo road in Burma.  The 80th flew a mix of P-38s and P-40Ns while in the CBI.

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't asking for adding the P-38, P-40 or any other US plane.  Just wanted to know if this was just a set up for RAF allied units and Shifty's explanation on the setup answered my question.  Thanks for your help as well



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JMO...........
The units you are speaking of would make an excellent setup as well. Limit it too those two units and aircraft and a like number of IJAAF units and aircraft.

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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2007, 10:07:57 PM »
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The units you are speaking of would make an excellent setup as well. Limit it too those two units and aircraft and a like number of IJAAF units and aircraft.

For another day, perhaps.  I'd like to try Shifty's idea of the narrow plane set, see how it works.  If it doesn't work out well, we can change things as the week goes on.

- oldman

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« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2007, 08:21:00 AM »
hmmmm.... like the setup, should be interesting but that spit 8 really is a beast in this setup.  What is its weakness?

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« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2007, 08:32:33 AM »
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hmmmm.... like the setup, should be interesting but that spit 8 really is a beast in this setup.  What is its weakness?

Its main weakness is that Ki-84s make it flutter the ground in small pieces.  Any Spit v the Frank is a good fun fight.  Zekes driven by competent pilots will be a problem for the Spits as well, I suspect.

Setup is there now, please post suggestions here.

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« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2007, 08:57:04 AM »
The spit seems to outperform the ki-84 in most areas. Particularly in climb but never by a large margin.

Turning is nearly identical.  I guess it could be  a tight match.  http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php