Gonna throw up a lil bit (F14s being shredded)

[hyena426]

ya ill miss the f-14..cool bird and what firepower..thing could carry phoenix missile:) talk about a monster missle..i seen them on the carl vincent about 20 years ago.. fastest carrier plane we ever had to date.

i miss the f104 starfighter too...just a cool lookin plane:) if i had my way there would be all sorts of funky planes still flying and costing us money..i guess its for the better im not! hehe

[Wilfrid]

Hey Dowding, yeah still in the land of the sausage (urgh) and the schnitzel (mmm) sadly, but Frankfurt now.


Still reading AH2 OC twice a day, don't know why.

Say hi to your bro and Dawv, I've retired my joystick in favour of a small german/english hybrid who can now walk but not yet speak.

[rpm]

Originally posted by Mace2004
The F-14 would use about $6,000 in fuel alone during one flight.  It's also much more complicated than the F-4 given the swing wings.  Given all the computers, miles of wiring, hydraulic systems, etc., etc., the F-14 would be enormously expensive and, without the parts and professional maintenance, probably dangerous to be just an airshow airplane.

Tomcat parts are worth their weight in gold to Iran. I see the theory and practicality in shredding them, but it's like watching your Grandmother being fed into a woodchipper.

[Mace2004]

Originally posted by rpm
Tomcat parts are worth their weight in gold to Iran. I see the theory and practicality in shredding them, but it's like watching your Grandmother being fed into a woodchipper.

LOL...Grandmother???  Maybe more like your girlfriend.

[Dowding]

Congrats Wilf! Seem to remember you were engaged to a german lass. My bro has two kids of his own now and is married.

I join the ranks of the down-trodden fraternity next year! Time flies... holding off on the kids thing until I've had my first ferrari.

[lasersailor184]

This is similar to what Bill Clinton did in the mid 90's.  All the lend-lease M14's were being shipped back, and instead of putting them into the CMP, he spent millions of dollars having them destroyed.

[rpm]

Originally posted by Mace2004
LOL...Grandmother???  Maybe more like your girlfriend.

Depending on the girlfriend, I could see the upside of that move.

[hyena426]

This is similar to what Bill Clinton did in the mid 90's.

one of my cousins is a engineer...he was working on a burner for siren and mustard gas at these old bunkers..they opened one bunker and inside was 2 fully decked out 1940's jeeps with 30 cal guns all packed in crates coverd in cosmoline..brand new and never used!! some car club collectors got wind of the find and wrote to the goverment to please let them buy these jeeps so they could save them from being cutt up..they were told..nope.bill clinton said to cutt everything up:(...so these peice of history got cutt to scrap..what a waste..i can undertsnad not letting them have the 30 cals..but comon..these jeeps were not going to help any organization besides some car buff colectors..lol..sad sad day...my cousin was really hart broken over it.

over 1 million m1 garands got cutt up too...notice m1's have really went up in price? 2 years ago i use to be able to go over to town and see a wall of them for 400 bucks a pop in great shape...you cant touch a nice one for under 1000 now...im glad i got a 1944 garand still.

[scottydawg]

Originally posted by Chairboy
I doubt they could really do any legit damage in "the wrong hands", Mig 21s, 25s, 29s and so on are available on the private market, and those are all supersonic platforms.  

I take it as more along the line of Raytheon's decision to shred the Beech Starships.  It's a CYA move so they can respond "Well, we did our best" to avoid a phantom potential lawsuit.

Would you like it if the P-51s, B-25s, etc were ALL shredded at the end of WWII so they "wouldn't fall into the wrong hands"?  If there was justice, then I'd be able to take my kid to an airshow 15 years from now and enjoy seeing a couple of F-14 Tomcats flying by as part of the Confederate Air Force.

Seriously, what?

And 99% of them were dismantled or destroyed at the end of the war... That's why there are so few.

[Mace2004]

Originally posted by scottydawg
Seriously, what?

And 99% of them were dismantled or destroyed at the end of the war... That's why there are so few.

 If you want to see something sick there are pictures around (I can't find one right now though) that shows long trenchs with hundreds of P-51's and other WWII fighters stacked nose down into the trenchs like dishes in a dishwasher.....they then set fire to them all.  Sometimes we truly lack vision.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by hyena426
one of my cousins is a engineer...he was working on a burner for siren and mustard gas at these old bunkers..they opened one bunker and inside was 2 fully decked out 1940's jeeps with 30 cal guns all packed in crates coverd in cosmoline..brand new and never used!! some car club collectors got wind of the find and wrote to the goverment to please let them buy these jeeps so they could save them from being cutt up..they were told..nope.bill clinton said to cutt everything up:(...so these peice of history got cutt to scrap..what a waste..i can undertsnad not letting them have the 30 cals..but comon..these jeeps were not going to help any organization besides some car buff colectors..lol..sad sad day...my cousin was really hart broken over it.

over 1 million m1 garands got cutt up too...notice m1's have really went up in price? 2 years ago i use to be able to go over to town and see a wall of them for 400 bucks a pop in great shape...you cant touch a nice one for under 1000 now...im glad i got a 1944 garand still.

The garand's price change?  That happened because the CMP has run out of nice garands.

[scottydawg]

Originally posted by Mace2004
If you want to see something sick there are pictures around (I can't find one right now though) that shows long trenchs with hundreds of P-51's and other WWII fighters stacked nose down into the trenchs like dishes in a dishwasher.....they then set fire to them all.  Sometimes we truly lack vision.

I dunno man.  I think it may have been that, after a long and brutal war, people would rather not be reminded of it by the tools of that war. I bet it took a while before the planes really began to be appreciated again.

[McFarland]

I think this is a bad move on America's part. Those planes are still flyable, and they can be kept in reserve. The problem with us now is that we are letting our millitary get too far down. Many of our bases have been closed, and now scrapping the planes? If this continues, we won't have any millitary at all. Reagan was right when he said to keep your millitary up, and at it's best.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by McFarland
I think this is a bad move on America's part. Those planes are still flyable, and they can be kept in reserve. The problem with us now is that we are letting our millitary get too far down. Many of our bases have been closed, and now scrapping the planes? If this continues, we won't have any millitary at all. Reagan was right when he said to keep your millitary up, and at it's best.

But how much maintenence would it take just to keep them at the ready?  They already have incredible amount of maintenance times per flying hour.

[WilldCrd]

Originally posted by McFarland
I think this is a bad move on America's part. Those planes are still flyable, and they can be kept in reserve. The problem with us now is that we are letting our millitary get too far down. Many of our bases have been closed, and now scrapping the planes? If this continues, we won't have any millitary at all. Reagan was right when he said to keep your millitary up, and at it's best.

AMEN! The terrorists and other countries that hte us dont have to fight us. They just have to wait their moment because the politicians will neuter our military to the point that we wont even be able to defend our borders.....actually We would be hard pressed now the repell a larg enough force. And dont even get me started on the southern borders and how wide open they are!:furious