NEW Ch Pedals are HERE!

[Sincraft]

Woot!
Very excited although it will be hard for me to get used to sitting like that ...ugh.

Guess I can pick 'lazy mode' and go back to the stick if I want to at any time eh?

Ok so question...

How do you guys have this setup, I could use the gas/brake (up /down) feature or just the in and out feature for the rudder.
How do you guys have yours configured?

Also, I noticed that mine always says 255 or 500 instead of ZERO unless I, in a forceful manner, push the pedal ALL the way as far is it could possibly go toward me...with much muscle strain.  Think this is an issue possibly?

Also, I noticed that I have to push left to go right, is that right...er correct? hehe

ThANKS!

*** EDIT ***
Ok I have mine setup for pushing instead of stomping like gas/brake etc.
The one thing I noticed is, I have MUCH less accuracy with the pedals for aiming guns than I do a twisty stick...seems like it is MUCH more sensitive than a twisty...

What are people experiencing with this?  I also didn't notice any better turning or maneuvering capabilities over a twisty stick???

[JB73]

Ok I am guessing you have CH PRO pedals, with the x, y, and z axis.


meaning they work in a lever action with your toes, and a back / forth action where when pushing the right foot forward, the left moves back.


if so:


the "toe" gas pedal like parts are left and right toe BRAKES, extremely helpful landing.

the rudder action is the other axis.


it can take from 1-4 months to get used to the controls, usually the longer if you are going straight from a twisty stick.

you WILL fly and shoot worse during this break in period, there is no way around it. you just must use patience, and humility.


the best suggestion I can give is my own anecdote of making the change:

I was using an x45 before the change. that was a lesson itself. If you know the x45 it has a rudder "rocker" on the left hand throttle instead of twist. I had to learn to "separate" the controls into specific axis in flight. when 1 hand does all 3 it is kind of "fluid" and you don't even notice it... until you try and think about what you are doing.

the biggest thing many twisty stick guys do it have rudder input when they don't really need it. even though it is unknowingly done it hurts overall plane performance, and maneuverability.

since I had already "learned" to separate my stick from rudder I may have had an advantage. what I did was keep using my rudder "rocker" even though it did nothing, and mentally move my feet according to what I was attempting to do with my hand. lots of time offline doing barrel rolls, and other maneuvers.

if you have every lost a rudder in flight and tried to line up a shot you know how much it influences the aim / direction of a plane. "skidding" to land is impossible without a rudder. it is those moments you will eventually truly appreciate rudder pedals. the finite control is unsurpassed.

what you can try and do is leave the stick as is (if it offers a twist "lock" don't do it) and mentally think, am I twisting this stick in any bit? if so approximately input that much foot pressure on the proper rudder. spend some time offline getting the feel of moving your feet to move the plane's nose. keep trying the same action with the stick even though it does nothing. once you learn that separation you can move on to more difficult maneuvers.

in AH the mapping of the rudder can be a bit confusing with multiple sticks, and multiple modes. in a GV the rudder pedals only turn the vehicle while in a gunner position. in the cab they do nothing. that may be a great way to get a feel of what they do. ge a tank going offline on a flat surface and go to position 3. then "drive" around with the pedals going right / left whatever.

however much the urge to allow the stick to be re-mapped as the rudder action you must resist. it WILL be ROUGH learning it, but in the end the reward is worth it.


also, you mention it is "sloppy" or whatever, it really is that way. you need to learn finite control, and the separation. you can use the advanced stick scaling to adjust the dead band and dampening of the rudder, but I recommend against it in the long run.

last tip: get 2 equal size books or similar and put them between the back end of the pedals and the wall or either side of the cord in the middle. in the heat of the battle nothing is worse than you stomping on right rudder to induce a snap roll for a shot and the pedals slide away from your feet and you lose total control of the plane.

and good luck, and don't give up on them

[airspro]

Also, I noticed that I have to push left to go right, is that right...er correct?

No you push your feet the way you want the plane turn , right pedal will move the nose of the plane to the right , etc .

I built this bracket for mine , have the cable going through a drilled hole in middle of it .

[Krusty]

I rammed every frakking bomber I saw for a period of 2 months (not intentionally, mind you!) when transitioning to rudder pedals. You WILL suffer, until you adapt. Then you will be way better off than before.

[Roscoroo]

at 1st you may have to increase deadband . this gives ya more initial travel in the peds befor input happens as you get used to them .

sit in your plane on the runway in f-3 view and watch the rudder .  push on the right the rudder better move right .  get used to using 1/4 to 1/2 rudder inputs as for you need this amount for lining up shots and for spiral climbs.


I think its best to use very little rudder at first and slowly get used to adding rudder inputs ... this makes for a easier transition to peds .

[Sincraft]

wow thanks for the input guys!

Airspro - does having the stick off to the right work for you?  I have mine sitting almost at chin height in the middle of my chest a bit off to the right, when I'm in the heat of battle I MUST be able to lean forward and smash my face against the monitor lol..

I love the adjustment you made however.  I should go ahead now and warn myself that this, is not an option on my end.  I would surely be dubbed a fanatic, obsessed or, addicted and be sent to a de-programming session which would include laundry, dishes, and starting the remodeling projects I'm hesitant to start until fall due to the heat as I need to be in the attic for long periods. lol.
I'll have to figure something out that attaches to the desk then comes undone when I'm done,...or I'll be done!  lol.

Krusty - thanks for the kind words of wisdom...I stopped chasing bombers for the most part even with my uber twisty stick..I always lose even at 45 degree passes.  I'm teh suk against bombers.  Probably a 10:1 on their part.

Ros - I was piddling with that, but didn't want to incorporate it as it actually seemed to lessen my 'range' vs my twisty. Guess I'll have to learn the hard way.

JB73 - thanks for taking the time to type that rather lengthy response.  A man after my own heart!  (must be a fast typer too!)
I do realize it will take time to get used to the pedals.  Didn't think it would be THAT long but ok.  
I can tell you that I just landed a 5 kill sorte before typing this, thankfully a 68er cleared my six (love those guys).  
As I was diving in on some guy with in a typhy, I was trying to twist to match his roll and almost augered because - well I couldn't twist lol!  I've had several instances where I, at the last second had to realize HEY NO STICK, USE THE PEDALS!
It took me a good hour to get used to even HOW to use the pedals (which way goes where).

I'm a bit upset about this honestly.  I like to sit with one leg up on the chair and kinda sitting against the wall sideways with the stick offcenter to the right.  My twisty was AWESOME in comparison to some of those I hear about and the ones I've played with prior (Saitek AV8R-1 Model PS-33).  Cheap stick and I HIGHLY recommend it to any new players or people looking for a new stick.


I have just one question from the community however:  How can the pedals be better than the stick if the range is the same?  IE: the amount of travel and how fast or slow I can adjust it?

Like I said, this stick is pretty good for this.  Better than the old sidewinders and , there is VERY LITTLE to NO accidental rudder usage like some of the more sloppy sticks which is why I liked it.  

I'm wondering if I am trading in a convenient good thing for an inconvenient good thing?

I did ok today, but I don't think I'll get beyond what I am capable of doing today other than actual flying skills.  I noticed even, that I am getting a bit lazy with the pedals and not using them for a FINE FINE tune as I'm already lined up that I would otherwise do with my twisty.

I guess I'm just not seeing the cost/benefit of all of this vs my current twisty.  Like I said, vs another stick it's a no brainer.  I like the fact that I can use it for realism but it's either or, I can't switch when I'm feeling lazy because I'll get to used to one vs the other and my skills will suffer.

I'm not a bad pilot.  Manuevers when being sixed are lacking but I usually never have a problem killing someone once I get into a battle with them unless they are in a far superior plane with more E.  
Now bombing and attacking is another story I don't want to get into.

I 'was' at a 4.5 k/d ratio until I started farting around with new planes and new manuevers this months, and of course these pedals.  I'm just wondering where to go from here.  Should I keep trying and if in a few months, I dont' see the advantage drop them and sell them or hold them for say...flight sim x or?  
I guess $100 is not that much to worry about really right?

Sorry for the length of the post, I'm all hoped up on coffee atm.

[Krusty]

Rudder pedals are better than a twisty stick because they give you greater control over exactly what you want to do.

With a twisty, you can think in your head "I need THIS much deflection" but while you're trying to hold bank and pitch at the same time it hurts your aim. Also adding rudder can throw off pitch and roll. And vice versa!

Not to mention that you will always have an easier time twisting your wrist "inwards" than "outwards" -- pedals just don't have the limitations.


EDIT: Let me put it this way.... I've always KNOWN how to do a hammerhead. A true, honest-to-goodness hammerhead. Until I got rudder pedals I was never able to pull one off (more of a nose high flop). It makes a big difference in aim, manuvers, corrections, stall recovery, etc...

[Sincraft]

That's a good analogy Krusty thanks.  I'll try a hammer head but I did notice that I was more frugal with the stick to make that happen while jamming the rudder and thus ended up with a big fat nasty stall lol.  Figured it was just the game!

[Citabria]

get a powered usb hub for them they will operate very smooth

[Hoarach]

Or a USB card.