Amid all the 787 hoopla....

[Golfer]

The TWA deal was a slat popping out when you didn't want to have a slat deploying.  I'm fully confident that if you were to push the nose down of a 727 and wait a bit the airplane not only would exceed mach 1; it wouldn't fall apart simply because its going in excess of mach 1.

The slats didn't come off as a result of the aircraft going fast, the slats/LEDs themselves caused the upset resulting in the ensuing dive taking them well beyond the speed they should be deployed if that wasn't exceeded in cruise already.  Operating well outside of their limitations they departed the aircraft.  That's not a mach 1 thing that's a normal, for lack of a better word, thing.

I know the Citation X has exceeded mach 1.  I know this to be fact.  

Copious doesn't do justice to the amounts of fuel required to keep it going that fast either compared to its normal fuel flow at .88-.92M

[Toad]

Rip, they never proved beyond all doubt that Hoot pulled the CB.

[2bighorn]

Officially, DC-8 was the only subsonic passenger jet who broke sound barrier in controlled dive test at Edwards AFB in 1961 IIRC, reaching mach 1.01

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Toad
Rip, they never proved beyond all doubt that Hoot pulled the CB.

Unfortunately the data recorder was all erased except for the final minutes once on the ground. Wonder how that happened?

[dynamt]

Originally posted by Chairboy
I've heard that the KC-135 contract made the 707 possible, which in turn set the shape of essentially every airliner to follow.

I believe it was the B-47 which made it's maiden flight on 12/17/47 that set the shape of every airliner to follow.

[DREDIOCK]

Amid all the 787 hoopla

I dont know why.

I just find it real hard to get excited over giant passanger aircraft

And it seems the bigger they get. the less excited I am over em

[Chairboy]

B-47 doesn't much look like what I flew in from Minneapolis a few weeks ago.  Looks a lot like the first few B-52 prototypes, though.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-47_Stratojet, I read that the B-47 had a 180 knot landing speed.  Holy bejeebers!  No thrust reversers either, so that must have been interesting.

[VWE]

Here's the NTSB report Rip...

NTSB Identification: DCA79AA016
14 CFR Part 121 Scheduled operation of TRANS WORLD AIRLINES INC
Event occurred Wednesday, April 04, 1979 in SAGINAW, MI
Aircraft: BOEING 727-31, registration: N840TW

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FILE    DATE          LOCATION          AIRCRAFT DATA       INJURIES       FLIGHT                        PILOT DATA                                                               F  S M/N     PURPOSE----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------1-0022   79/4/4  NR.SAGINAW,MI         BOEING 727-31       CR-  0  0  7  SCHED DOM PASSG SRV       AIRLINE TRANSPORT, AGE        TIME - 2148                    N840TW              PX-  0  0 82                            44, 15710 TOTAL HOURS,                                       DAMAGE-SUBSTANTIAL  OT-  0  0  0                            2597 IN TYPE, INSTRUMENT                                                                                                   RATED.        OPERATOR - TRANS WORLD AIRLINES,INC.        DEPARTURE POINT             INTENDED DESTINATION          JAMAICA,NY                  MINEAPLS-ST PAUL,MN        TYPE OF ACCIDENT                                         PHASE OF OPERATION           UNCONTROLLED ALTITUDE DEVIATIONS                         IN FLIGHT: UNCONTROLLED DESCENT           AIRFRAME FAILURE: IN FLIGHT                              IN FLIGHT: UNCONTROLLED DESCENT        PROBABLE CAUSE(S)           PILOT IN COMMAND - MISUSED OR FAILED TO USE FLAPS           PILOT IN COMMAND - IMPROPER OPERATION OF FLIGHT CONTROLS        FACTOR(S)           PILOT IN COMMAND - DIVERTED ATTENTION FROM OPERATION OF AIRCRAFT           AIRFRAME - FLIGHT CONTROL SURFACES: SPOILERS AND SLOTS-LEADING EDGE FLAPS,SPEED BRAKES           MISCELLANEOUS ACTS,CONDITIONS - IMPROPER ALIGNMENT/ADJUSTMENT           MISCELLANEOUS ACTS,CONDITIONS - ASYMETRICAL FLAPS           MISCELLANEOUS ACTS,CONDITIONS - SEPARATION IN FLIGHT        EMERGENCY CIRCUMSTANCES - PRECAUTIONARY LANDING ON AIRPORT                                  LATERAL CONTROL PROBLEM                                  PITCH CONTROL PROBLEM        REMARKS- LE SLATS EXTENDED.NR7 SLAT DID NOT SUBSEQUENTLY FULLY RETRACT,RESULTING IN ASYMMETRICAL SLATS.

[Halo]

(QUOTE)  I read that the B-47 had a 180 knot landing speed. Holy bejeebers! No thrust reversers either, so that must have been interesting.
(UNQUOTE)

As I recall, B-47s deployed big drag chutes when landing.  Of course not a good idea to deploy the drag chute on takeoff -- one B-47 that did that fortunately just ran off the end of the runway; nobody hurt, but the pilot became a ground-pounder, i.e., no longer piloted.  

That was 40 years ago, so unlike Maurice Chevalier, I can't really claim, "Ah, I remember it well."

[Halo]

(QUOTE)  Amid all the 787 hoopla

I dont know why.

I just find it real hard to get excited over giant passanger aircraft

And it seems the bigger they get. the less excited I am over em

(UNQUOTE)

I'll get excited about passenger jets if they ever offer comfortable seating instead of feeling like baggage jammed in.  

Best flight I ever took was a vacation airliner to Jamaica.  Plush leather seats only two on each aisle in a DC-9.  Talk about quiet and comfortable, mmmmm.  

You guessed it -- naturally that operation eventually folded.

[BiGBMAW]

All I can see is VULCH TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


defintly need a 110C with teh 30 mil and 4-20s for that pass

bunch of lard azzes on the runway