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« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2007, 11:59:25 PM »
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Turks are rats.

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« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2007, 12:01:06 AM »
Viking, Ack-Ack and Storch all agree on something.

Truly, these are the end times.
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« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2007, 12:48:32 AM »
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Originally posted by john9001
"your NATO ally ", BS ,turkey would not let US troops cross turkey to go into  northern iraq. Turkey is not a friend of the US as much as a enemy of russia.
 
It's time the US redefined just who is a friend (ally) and who is not.

 
No, but they did let US aircraft overfly their territory - and they were once the third largest troop contributor to the ISAF in afghanistan (also the first country to twice lead the ISAF) who currently have 1200 soldiers west of Kabaul and are the sole Muslim contributor. They have been very successful in countering the Taleban, and winning over the local populace due to their experience in countering terrorist groups like the PKK ie. The Kurdish Workers Party
 
Your very quick to turn on your friends...

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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2007, 01:15:10 AM »
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The Iraqi insurgents are not from Iraq.  Or at least, the vast majority of them are not. ....

Um..... yes they are ...actually by definition of the term "insurgents", and the reality on the ground in Iraq, most of the insurgents ARE Iraqis.  Primarily Sunni, and many and Bathists or former Bathists, or supported by former Bathists.

You are confusing "insurgents" with "foreign fighters" (aka al Qaida in Iraq among other groups).... you also have the sectarian forces/militas/and death-squads, and militias following various tribal and religious leaders in Iraq, and some criminal organizations that sprang up after the occupation.

The insurgents -- as well as the sectarian forces, and the various militias -- all outnumber the foreign fighters --- but the foreign fighters cause the coalition forces the most problems and most damage on the basis per fighter involved, and to the mission overall, and probably primarily behind the bombing of the Golden Mosque that started the flare up in sectarian violence.  Foreign fighterts are better equipped and better trained for the most part, and often better coordinated.

The insurgents are responsible for more attacks in overall numbers... and much of the IED's and VBIED's and lately sniper fire, but many are on a smaller scale and less successful than the foreign fighters, man for man.  The sectarian groups and militias spend most of their time fighting each other and killing civilians and police.  

Then you have Iranians joining the fray in the role of technical support to various (Shia' ) factions... money, explosives, training, and so forth... some in sectarian violence, some to the insurgency.  

The foreign fighters tend to come in through Syria, and come from many countries in the region, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Yemen, Egypt, and such... but their numbers are small compared to the Iraqis in the fight.  They just tend to make a big impact against coalition forces due to training, coordination and equipment.
 
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However, the Kurds just want to hang out in kurdistan and rule themselves.

Yes, which is why no one else in the region likes the Kurds.  No one wants to give up land to them, since historic "Kurdistan" lies in Iraq, Turkey, and Iran.

As to Turkey's massing forces along the border, it is response to increased PKK activity .... Turks have been making overtures toward Kurdish leaders this past year on the diplomatic front, but they are getting fed up with attacks in their territory from Kurds of the PKK operating in northern Iraq.


Similarly, Iranian forces have been reported to be crossing the border into Iraq --- in some cases, also to attack Kurds of the PKK in the north, but also spotted in the south by British forces.  I also saw something about a report of a build up of Iranian troops along the Iraqi border.

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« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2007, 02:14:02 AM »
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Originally posted by john9001
"your NATO ally ", BS ,turkey would not let US troops cross turkey to go into  northern iraq. Turkey is not a friend of the US as much as a enemy of russia.

It's time the US redefined just who is a friend (ally) and who is not.


NP there... you redefine who is a friend and who is not all the time.  ;)

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« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2007, 02:20:48 AM »
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Originally posted by john9001
"your NATO ally ", BS ,turkey would not let US troops cross turkey to go into  northern iraq. Turkey is not a friend of the US as much as a enemy of russia.

It's time the US redefined just who is a friend (ally) and who is not.


NATO is an alliance of defense, not aggression. The US/UK decided to invade Iraq on their own accord in violation of the UN Charter, against the will of the UN Security Council and against the will of Turkey; they were fully within their rights to deny you access to their border to commit acts of war they considered illegal. Turkey (among others) are now paying for your misguided adventure in Iraq with increasing number of terrorist/separatist attacks and domestic Islamic fundamentalism. Being your ally is not easy or popular these days in that part of the world.

There are no ends to the problems you people have made for Turkey, especially considering their plans to become an EU member. If someone has reasons to "redefine" who's an ally or not, it's Turkey (among others).

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« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2007, 02:21:22 AM »
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Viking, Ack-Ack and Storch all agree on something.

Truly, these are the end times.


Heh :)

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« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2007, 06:49:16 AM »
Origanally posted by DREDIOCK
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OK the US says that satellites havent picked anything up.

Did anyone think to put eyes on the ground there?
Its not like a satellite is in the proper place 24-7 to pick everything up ALL the time.

Now maybe there arent there. maybe there are.
But one personal observation is worth 1,000 reports or 100 satellite images
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If they can hide 140,000 men, or somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-12 divisions, from our Spy satelite's and aerial recon, We've got a lesson or two to learn from the turks. That force should be pretty easy to detect, at that size.

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« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2007, 07:38:44 AM »
Turkey is pretty forested, even in the border areas near Iraq; you can hide a whole army there. Just like the Serbs showed us during the Kosovo conflict.

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« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2007, 10:16:02 AM »
Truly, these are the end times.
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Or a new age of enlightenment.

The US needs to demonstrate good will and lead the world, not demonstrate selfish imperialism and subvert it.  

Learn from the mistakes of every other world power in history.
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