P40 series, what's the point?

[Viking]

Originally posted by Widewing
The P-40E is a 1941 vintage fighter... It does very well considering that fact.

Perhaps to some degree, but not as well as its contemporaries, the Spit V and 109F-4.

[Brooke]

Originally posted by georgh
What purpouse does the P40 serve in this game beyond early war setups?

In addition to the main-arena aspects folks have already talked about, they are also used in some scenarios (depends on the scenario, of course).  For example, we just got done running Operation Husky, about the allied invasion of Sicily in July, 1943.  There were a lot of P-40's in that.  There were a lot of P-40's in the Rangoon, '43 scenario, too.

There were 13,000 P-40's built in WWII -- more than were produced of La-7's, F6F's, F4U's, P-38's, F4F's, and Zeros.  They were used a lot in WWII.

[Citabria]

P40 series, what's the point?

because they look pretty?

[ColKLink]

Someone said "SHEEP"........I HEARD IT......

[Squire]

Aces High isnt just about 1945 fighters, thats why.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by georgh
Other than the sparsely populated early war arenas, I really don't see where the P40B/E can perform well enough to even TRY to be competetive with the La-7fest the game seems to have turned into as of late.

Now don't get me wrong, the P40B does fly well, but 2x .30's and 2x .50's isn't exactly ideal. But the E, while it does have an OK gun package, does not seem to turn well enough to be able to fight most of the "normal" planes encountered in the latewar arenas.

Now this isn't a "ong i can't kill shat in teh p30 nerfperkupgrade!!!1" type post, but rather a question: What purpouse does the P40 serve in this game beyond early war setups?

That is easy to answer.  Its there for the people that want to fly it.  That is its purpouse of it.  As far as the plance turning or being able to fight most normal planes it definetly can at the right hands (see above, people who like it).  
Equal pilots equal e, yes the normal planes will win but that situation almost never arises in the MA.

[humble]

Every plane in the game is quite capable when flown to its strengths. Obviously both pilot quality and the tactical realities effect the outcome of combat. so a P-40 outnumbered and facing superior pilots has a tough road to hoe...but a well flown P-40 can put up a good fight vs anything...

[Spikes]

Originally posted by georgh

, but 4x .30's and 2x .50's isn't exactly ideal.

[humble]

In fact an old clip is still on the squad site....

so here is "why" the P-40 belongs....

Write up

The clip

Obviously for a nikki with 1500 ft and a 100 mph advantage to get beaten by a P-40B the nikki had to make a few mistakes. The nikki could have recovered this fight easily at almost anytime. Given the rather rude departure characteristics (as noted by WW) I've got the flaps hanging out which gives the nikki a spiral climb at will. One reson I liked this as a "training" clip is it combines merge stratagy (to force a type of fight), E fighting {from a neg E position} and the use of out of plane positioning to capitalize on "angular rotation" of the nose vs flying the nose via lift...all 3 shots are created from a lag to lead with the nose "falling" not flying thru.

As flit commented, to win in a P40-B (or 202 or 109E etc) you have to hit your shots. I fired 3 times and hit the nikki with all 3 shots. Total rounds expended 91 .50 (760/669) and 191 .30 (1910/1719). The amount of ammo required for a kill is much less then most people think. The gun package on the B is just fine if you actually hit the target at suitable range.

[Jonny boy 8]

the p40 is 1 of my top 5 favorite planes in aces high, so i dont know why people hate it.

p51srule:aok

[Avenger8]

Some people fly the planes they admire in real life.

Avenger8

[Hades55]

Some people they are not here to *play*.

They are here to *Fly*.

Playing or *flying* here you can search for many what ifs.

What if p40s vs fw190s? what if spits vs p38s ? what if me109s vs zeros?

These people usually know history of wwii (and not only)

and they love planes. ( real men fly propellers:)

These people ask for more and more realism FM + ballistics.

These people ask All the planes who was flying in WWII in

every front.  Historical reasons & scenarios.

And what better way to prove (some need to) that you are better stick

when you kill lalas and spits in your p40 or your fm.

Many reasons for p40s and all EW planes to exist even in LW arenas.

[Gianlupo]

Originally posted by Bronk
Try running into filth in one and see what happens.

Bronk

Exactly my thought.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by georgh
What purpouse does the P40 serve in this game beyond early war setups?

Same thing as why I pwn folks in the Ki61, which has been deemed "a POS" by the Majority of players.    

[Shuffler]

The point is it is a challenge..... and not many can fly it well. Pretty much any new pilot can get in a LA, spit or tempy and get a kill. Some enjoy using more knowlege and skill. Before anyone misconstrues my meaning.... I'm not saying those that fly the planes mentioned are dumb or skilless, just that some like a plane that requires a little more input and forethought to fly.

To all that fly, drive, and swim in AH <>

PS Even the SQUEAKERS    

Regards
Shuff
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