For all you voters...

[Rino]

I already have the Heinkel I want.  A 1/48th scale diecast Franklin Mint
Battle of Britain one..now all I need is shelf space to store it

 

     I love these things, but they do use up alot of room.

[scottydawg]

Originally posted by dedalos
Not sure why the 111 has not been in the game since AH1.  I guess game is made in the US so US planes do come first?

I doubt it.

[DaddyAck]

Originally posted by Serenity
I noticed that there were several aircraft that had a great following in the voting. People making avatars, threads specifically dedicated to advertising them, etc. But as I think about it, I didnt see ANY for the He-111. So, for all of you who are remaining active AFTER the voting, how many of you were really interested in the Heinkel? (Sorry, just curious here, not asking you to disclose anything if you prefer your vote be secret.)

My first choice was the HE-111

My second the B-25

My third the ME-410(though in realithy this plane was not much better than the ME-210 it was meant to improve upon!)

After that I had no preference.

[DiabloTX]

Originally posted by DaddyAck

My third the ME-410(though in realithy this plane was not much better than the ME-210 it was meant to improve upon!)

And with that we cue Viking's response...

[Viking]

Oh that's IT! Got to get home from work!

[DiabloTX]

Originally posted by Viking
Oh that's IT! Got to get home from work!

Did you ride your bike?

[Viking]

Originally posted by DiabloTX
Did you ride your bike?

Huh? No, I drove my car. Had an appointment this evening though, so I've just come home.

Originally posted by DaddyAck
My third the ME-410(though in realithy this plane was not much better than the ME-210 it was meant to improve upon!)

This couldn’t be further from the truth. I’ll rehash the case I made for the plane back during the vote:

There really was just one major version of the Me 410 since the plane was specifically designed to be a multi-purpose fighter-bomber able to use many field-conversion kits. The only difference between the A and B series was in standard armament, so that can be just an option in the hangar (the B was supposed to get new engines, but they were not ready in time).

To make a long story short: The Me 410 A/B was a heavy fighter-bomber almost identical in weight and size as the P-38. However the Me 410 had a lower wing loading than the P-38L and better power loading (P-38 had turbos though which helped a lot at higher altitudes). The Me 410 is faster than a Mosquito FB.VI. at 388 mph! The Me 410 can carry more than 4000 lbs of bombs in the bomb bay and on two under-wing shackles. The Me 410 could carry up to eight … EIGHT! … 20mm cannons, two 30mm high velocity cannons + two 20mm, and its most endearing feature the 50mm cannon with a telescopic sight!

This plane is pure testosterone!

The Me 410 Hornisse made several LW aces like Eduard Tratt who shot down five P-38’s and several bombers in his Me 410A-1 having amassed a total of 38 kills at the time of his death in 1944, all in Zerstörers and most in the 410. The Me 410 saw service from 1943 to mid-1944 in the west as a bomber-destroyer, and as a ground attack plane in the east until the end of the war. More than 1,100 were made.

The Me 210 was seriously flawed with handling and stability problems. These problems were solved by lengthening the fuselage, redesigning the wings, adding leading edge slats and installing more powerful engines (DB 603). The plane that resulted from these changes was the Me 410. The name change was pure propaganda, getting rid of the bad reputation the Me 210 (justly) had.

[Masherbrum]

I.A.R. 81c

[DiabloTX]

Originally posted by Viking
Huh? No, I drove my car. Had an appointment this evening though, so I've just come home.

LOL, I was just pointing out the fact that it was a lont time period from when I thought you'd be home to make your argument to the time you actually did get home.

PS, I know you drive a BMW, so I thought you'd be home faster!

[Viking]

Ah, I thought so, but was too tired to make a snappy comeback.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Viking
The Me 410 is faster than a Mosquito FB.VI. at 388 mph!

This is very misleading.  It is like saying the Spitfire Mk XIV is faster than the Fw190D-9, 448mph to 430mph when that is entirely dependant on altitude.  At sea level the Fw190D-9 will easily out run a Spitfire Mk XIV and the Mosquito Mk VI will easily out run an Me410.  Look at the Bf110G-2 we have in AH.  It is faster than the Mosquito in the same way as the Me410, but even with our flame damper crippled Mossie compared to a daylight Bf110G, the Mossie is faster down low.  In addition the 380mph speed for the Mosquito is the B.Mk IV's speed.  The F.II topped out at about 366mph, the flame damped FB.VI at 378mph (without flame dampers about 390mph), the B.Mk XVI at 416mph, the NF.30 at 424mph.

The Me 410 can carry more than 4000 lbs of bombs in the bomb bay and on two under-wing shackles. The Me 410 could carry up to eight … EIGHT! … 20mm cannons, two 30mm high velocity cannons + two 20mm, and its most endearing feature the 50mm cannon with a telescopic sight!

That is like claiming the Mosquito could carry four 20mm Hispanos, a 4,000lb bomb in the bomb bay, eight rockets and a 57mm cannon.  Sure, it could.  Just not all on the same version.  We'd need three versions of the Mossie to do that, just as we'd need three versions of the Me410 to accomplish all that you listed.

[Viking]

Originally posted by Karnak
This is very misleading.  It is like saying the Spitfire Mk XIV is faster than the Fw190D-9, 448mph to 430mph when that is entirely dependant on altitude.  At sea level the Fw190D-9 will easily out run a Spitfire Mk XIV and the Mosquito Mk VI will easily out run an Me410.  Look at the Bf110G-2 we have in AH.  It is faster than the Mosquito in the same way as the Me410, but even with our flame damper crippled Mossie compared to a daylight Bf110G, the Mossie is faster down low.  In addition the 380mph speed for the Mosquito is the B.Mk IV's speed.  The F.II topped out at about 366mph, the flame damped FB.VI at 378mph (without flame dampers about 390mph), the B.Mk XVI at 416mph, the NF.30 at 424mph.

It’s not misleading at all. The Me 410 has a greater top speed than the Mossie FB.VI. The Spit14 is faster than the 190D. The 110G-2 is not faster than the Mossie; at the 110’s best altitude it is still slower than the Mossie at its best altitude. The Me 410 is significantly faster than the 110G and the Mossie FB.VI. Whether the Mossie is faster at low alt or any other altitude bands is unclear and I suspect pure speculation on your part. The other (non-AH) Mossies you mention are irrelevant to my comparison as it was simply meant as a comparison to a known similar in-game aircraft.

Originally posted by Karnak
That is like claiming the Mosquito could carry four 20mm Hispanos, a 4,000lb bomb in the bomb bay, eight rockets and a 57mm cannon.  Sure, it could.  Just not all on the same version.  We'd need three versions of the Mossie to do that, just as we'd need three versions of the Me410 to accomplish all that you listed.

No, it not like that at all. Like I said earlier there was just two versions of the Me 410 and they only differed in main armament (13mm MGs instead of 7.92mm). All the weapons I listed were modular field kits that could be fitted at will. Two MG 151/20 + two machineguns were standard, and up to 6 MG 151/20 could be carried in the bomb bay as a gun package + gondola. The Me 410 was perhaps the first true “swing-role” combat aircraft. The 20mm gun-pack(s) simply fit into the bomb bay. The 30mm gun-pack simply fit into the bomb bay. The 50mm cannon pack simply fit into the bomb bay. Etc.

Btw. I never intended my previous post to read like the 410 could carry the 20mm cannons AND the 30mm AND the 50mm AND bombs at the SAME time in the bomb bay. Only one gun/bomb package at a time + up to 2000 lbs of bombs on wing pylons.

[Viking]

[Karnak]

The Fw190D-9 is faster than the Spitfire Mk XIV at almost all of the altitudes used for combat in AH.  Therefore, even though the Spit XIV is technically faster when its speed at 27,000ft is compared to the Fw190D-9's speed at 22,000ft, the Fw190D-9 is functionally faster than the Spitfire Mk XIV in AH due to the altitudes it is used at.

I recall reading an encounter between two Spitfire Mk IXs and an  Me410 over Italy in 1943.  The Me410 dove to the deck and the Spits dove after.  A long chase began which one Spitfire soon gave up.  The other persisted and gradually overtook the Me410, which emptied its tail guns at the Spitfire without effect, and shot it down.  The Spitfire could not overtake a Mosquito at low altitude.

[Viking]

Originally posted by Karnak
The Fw190D-9 is faster than the Spitfire Mk XIV at almost all of the altitudes used for combat in AH.  Therefore, even though the Spit XIV is technically faster when its speed at 27,000ft is compared to the Fw190D-9's speed at 22,000ft, the Fw190D-9 is functionally faster than the Spitfire Mk XIV in AH due to the altitudes it is used at.

It is a skewed example and thus an irrelevant comparison. The Spit14 has a high alt engine while the 109D has a low to medium alt engine. The Mossie FB.VI and Hornisse both have engines optimized for low and medium altitudes.

Originally posted by Karnak
I recall reading an encounter between two Spitfire Mk IXs and an  Me410 over Italy in 1943.  The Me410 dove to the deck and the Spits dove after.  A long chase began which one Spitfire soon gave up.  The other persisted and gradually overtook the Me410, which emptied its tail guns at the Spitfire without effect, and shot it down.  The Spitfire could not overtake a Mosquito at low altitude.

So you draw your conclusions from this one “encounter” alone? What was the status of the 410? What was its loadout? Did it carry external bomb shackles? Hardly more than speculation. The AH Spit9 can just barely catch the 110G.