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Offline SkyRock

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« Reply #135 on: July 20, 2007, 09:42:37 AM »
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Actually, I'm trying to understand the logic.

Take a fetus at exactly the same "age"; 3 months, 4 months..whatever.

This fetus is killed by an unlucky bullet during a drive by shooting in LA; the bullet pierces the abdomen and hits the fetus dead on but the mother lives.

Murder charge.


Now, a fetus at the same age, driven down to the clinic by the mom and sucked out and dismembered, mom drives home.

Medical procedure.

I'm having a real hard time understanding how one is a human life that is lost and someone has to be punished for a capital crime but the other is like getting an ingrown toenail taken out.

Seems like it ought to be one way or the other.

Do you understand it? If so, could you clarify it for me other than saying "it's the law"? How can the two things not be equal one way or the other?


Your answer might be found in the woman's rights.  The laws as they stand give a woman the right to terminate a pregnancy she does not want.  Apparently, since women are burdened with having to risk their own lives during any pregnancy, this right is granted to them by our law.  On the other hand, the drive by shooter, took this mother's right, and her unborn child away.  Now, the real tricky question would be, do you prosecute the drive by shooter if he shot the mother on her way to an abortion clinic?


this should be interesting



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« Reply #136 on: July 20, 2007, 12:02:58 PM »
Ah, so the mother has the right to kill an unborn human being but no one else does?

Justifiable homicide then?
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« Reply #137 on: July 20, 2007, 01:17:04 PM »
They took God out of public schools and replaced him with the deputy sheriff!!
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« Reply #138 on: July 20, 2007, 01:45:15 PM »
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Ah, so the mother has the right to kill an unborn human being but no one else does?

Justifiable homicide then?

kill?   many different views here Toad, I generally do not debate abortion, I thought the ? might be interesting about if the shooter shot her on the way to the clinic.
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« Reply #139 on: July 20, 2007, 03:08:33 PM »
Ok, here's how I see abortion:

A mother has her unborn/born baby killed because she doesn't feel like raising it; she has it killed out of convienance in many cases.

A man is worried that another man is going to bring a lawsuit against him that will cause him to lose a lot of his money, so he has him murdered; he has him killed out of convienance.

What's the difference? I'm not seeing a difference here.... is there a difference in your twisted mind?
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« Reply #140 on: July 20, 2007, 05:41:55 PM »
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she doesn't feel like raising it


It is these types of statements that cause me to not debate abortion!  When the person's intellect is not of a caliber to even understand the debate, why bother?  :aok out!
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« Reply #141 on: July 20, 2007, 06:24:29 PM »
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You can call it a "lawful killing" if you want, but as far as the law is concerned it's a medical procedure.

If you disagree with the law, write your congressman.


What? Instead of complaining here about injustices? Tell me you haven't done that.
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« Reply #142 on: July 20, 2007, 08:37:30 PM »
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It is these types of statements that cause me to not debate abortion!  When the person's intellect is not of a caliber to even understand the debate, why bother?  :aok out!


Maybe you should have quoted his entire statement. :aok

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A mother has her unborn/born baby killed because she doesn't feel like raising it; she has it killed out of convienance in many cases.


In some cases that is true, the woman for whatever reason, either doesn't want to raise the child or feels that she can't raise it. Either way, it's an abortion for convenience sake.
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« Reply #143 on: July 20, 2007, 10:17:44 PM »
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Maybe you should have quoted his entire statement. :aok

 

In some cases that is true, the woman for whatever reason, either doesn't want to raise the child or feels that she can't raise it. Either way, it's an abortion for convenience sake.

Elfie, extremist phrasing is one reason why abortion can't be debated with morons.  
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« Reply #144 on: July 21, 2007, 12:02:26 AM »
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Originally posted by x0847Marine but her opinion about "moral responsibility" trumps that of a total stranger[/B]


Only if it be moral and if it be responsible.

Abortion is neither.
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« Reply #145 on: July 21, 2007, 12:27:50 AM »
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Elfie, extremist phrasing is one reason why abortion can't be debated with morons.  
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Otoh....many times those who are debating the issue of abortion claim, without just cause, that the reasoning and/or opinions of the other side are Extremist even when they are valid. Folks on both sides of the fence do this. ;)
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« Reply #146 on: July 24, 2007, 03:55:13 AM »
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Ah, so the mother has the right to kill an unborn human being but no one else does?

Justifiable homicide then?


The state assumes a pregnant woman will eventually give birth.. it's a natural occurrence, but also respects her choice to legally terminate same by elective medical procedure, you are welcome to characterize it as "killing", :homicide", "murder" or even "cheesecake" if you like.

Yea, its semantics... but semantics keep people out of jail every day. Imagine if "public intoxication" was changed to "public stupidity" because some folks thought being drunk and being stupid were the same, all of congress and most politicians would be subject to arrest... the govt would grind to a halt.

If a womans is murdered, her choice is gone, and both are dead for sure.. so the state charges for 2. Keep in mind a charge of murdering a "fetus" is only a charge, it might not result in conviction every time... defense lawyers & juries get involved and have their say as well.
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« Reply #147 on: July 24, 2007, 06:54:43 AM »
It's either a live human being or it is not.

The idea that it's a human being only if someone besides the mother kills it is laughable.

It should be one way or the other, human or not.

I would expect a Supreme Court challenge on this eventually when some dolt is convicted of killing a fetus.
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« Reply #148 on: July 26, 2007, 04:01:41 PM »
I've signed out of this thread for quite a while, but saw an article today some of y'all might find interesting.  This is related to the original post, btw, not the big messy unrelated dramagasm this has turned into:

http://www.aclu.org/studentsrights/expression/12845prs20040511.html

A school was censoring christian expression from yearbooks, and there was an objection.
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« Reply #149 on: July 26, 2007, 06:22:51 PM »
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I've signed out of this thread for quite a while, but saw an article today some of y'all might find interesting.  This is related to the original post, btw, not the big messy unrelated dramagasm this has turned into:

http://www.aclu.org/studentsrights/expression/12845prs20040511.html

A school was censoring christian expression from yearbooks, and there was an objection.


Too bad you had to go back over 3 years to find an instance like this. I'd be willing to bet that I can find 2 instances of aclu anti-christian activity for every one you find where they support a citizens right to practice christianity. Wanna play?
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