Author Topic: Pistol Shooting - with both eyes open (Read 793 times)

Coshy · « **Reply #15 on:** July 17, 2007, 08:09:24 PM »

You guys seem to be reinforcing my opinion that I, not she, is the one with the problem. Fortunately I don't think I started any bad habits that cant be easily overcome.

I am coming to the conclusion that it is time for both her and I to go to some sort of class or something. I am familiar enough with the mechanics of how a pistol works, but its becoming clearer that I lack in the actual shooting part.

Thank you for your input.

Any suggestions/opinions about laser sights?

Maverick · « **Reply #16 on:** July 17, 2007, 09:20:12 PM »

Forget the laser sights they add a bit of weight to the pistol she doesn't need. Teach her to shoot fiorst, then you can play with the toys like laser aiming points, red dot sights and flash lights.

Vulcan · « **Reply #17 on:** July 17, 2007, 09:38:20 PM »

Just get her a shotgun.

tedrbr · « **Reply #18 on:** July 17, 2007, 10:02:37 PM »

Both eyes open will work just fine.

Which is her dominate eye? You said you thought left, but have you figured that for sure yet? I'm right handed but left eye dominant (slightly far sighted one eye, slightly near sighted the other). I aim right eye with rifle but use left eye with iron sights with pistols.

Laser sights? Why do you need to do tactical combat snap shots?? Plus, it makes it harder to conceal carry the pistol, and can interfere with drawing.

Get a class. Learn a good firing stance and weapon control and managing a tight grouping while firing. If you have a place you can practice it (some ranges don't allow it) practice quick point-and-shoot snap shooting (don't aim - just point and shoot in one fluid motion).

Why does she have the pistol? Home defense? Concealed carry (or in the car)? Target shooting? In case you get out of line with here? Tailor the practice shooting to it's intended use.

Dago · « **Reply #19 on:** July 17, 2007, 10:17:19 PM »

Don't arm women!

Men sleep better in their beds at night with the knowledge that their women do not know how to load a gun.

Sheeesh.

lazs2 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 18, 2007, 08:32:36 AM »

yeah..... It is pretty funny that now they are teaching people to point shoot... We were told you couldn't hit anything that way even tho we were sending cans rolling merrily along by pointshooting.

I will close an eye... I will pointshoot at close range and hold the gun any way it feels right to me. I will shoot one or two handed depending.

Only thing sure is.... whatever you are being taught now about so called "combat" shooting will be the thing people are laughing at years from now. Pictures of you doing it will be as funny as leisure suits and white belts and shoes pics are now.

If I ever thought that plates would become aggressive and attack in groups of 8 (to make it hard for revolver shooters) then I would have spent more time on combat ranges.

lazs

Jackal1 · « **Reply #21 on:** July 18, 2007, 09:05:43 AM »

I had eye dominance change from one to the other eye some years back. Gave me fits until I figured out what was going on, mainly in shooting a bow.
I agree with Laz on developing your own style. Do what works for you. It might save your life sometime in the future.

gpwurzel · « **Reply #22 on:** July 18, 2007, 09:10:02 AM »

Todays top tip, just ensure you aim for the largest body mass you can hit......make sure you put at least 2 rounds in it....and if your feeling really vicious.......once their down, put one in the head. Guaranteed problem over

Oh, and no before anyone asks, i've not done it to anything but paper targets. X11 to be precise.

Wurzel

lazs2 · « **Reply #23 on:** July 18, 2007, 09:19:45 AM »

again.. I am not sure about the "put two into em" thing. I think you need to put as many or as few as needed to stop them from doing bad things....

There are no rules except... if you get into a fight you need to win it. If you do what you do best you will have a better chance than hoping that all that "muscle memory" training with akward stances and positions and holds works under stress.

If you don't believe me then study real gunfights. the old guys were right.... take your time.. in a hurry. make sure you hit something. make sure that you hit all the threats good enough to make em be nice.

cops practice all sorts of things but when push comes to shove.. they shoot dozens of rounds in every direction except the outline of the bad guy.

lazs

gpwurzel · « **Reply #24 on:** July 18, 2007, 09:41:45 AM »

To an extent I'd agree with you there Laz, (why I said at least 2). Allegedly...only putting 1 into the body mass can leave you open to counter aggression (depending on where you hit), but the 2nd induces enough shock to help whoever the target was to go down, allowing you to disarm/escape etc without danger......as you said though, there are no hard and fast rules.

Wurzel

Maverick · « **Reply #25 on:** July 18, 2007, 09:49:56 AM »

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Originally posted by Dago
Don't arm women!

Men sleep better in their beds at night with the knowledge that their women do not know how to load a gun.

Sheeesh.

Dago,

Do you lock up the cutlery when you sleep?? Does the name Lorena give you chills? It isn't only the things that go bang that are dangerous you know......

tedrbr · « **Reply #26 on:** July 18, 2007, 10:57:45 PM »

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Originally posted by gpwurzel
To an extent I'd agree with you there Laz, (why I said at least 2). Allegedly...only putting 1 into the body mass can leave you open to counter aggression (depending on where you hit), but the 2nd induces enough shock to help whoever the target was to go down, allowing you to disarm/escape etc without danger......as you said though, there are no hard and fast rules.

In self defense there are some unwritten "rules" to consider.

If you empty the magazine into the other person, use a magazine with more than 10 round capacity (even though they were never illegal to use, just banned from sale for a while) or are using your own reloads rather than factory loads,... some overly aggressive, gun-hating, democratic DA will prosecute you, righteous shoot or not. You'll be judged by 12 folks that were unable to get out of jury duty. You'll be sharing cell space with U.S. Border Guards that actually do their jobs and get locked up for it.

I figure if it ever came down to it, I could get away with up to 3 quick rounds into a guy (2 chest, 1 head) and blame it on my military training (3-shot zero range) kicking in. Just have to remember when on the stand to not ask the coroner how my shot grouping was.

Concealed Carry gun of choice is the 10mm Glock 29 subcompact with Cor-Bon rounds (165 GR. JHP 1250FPS/537FTLBS). Also have some larger frame pistols around.

Suave · « **Reply #27 on:** July 19, 2007, 08:15:43 AM »

If you have a gun for self defense you should practice point shooting because that's what you're going to end up doing anyway if you have to defend yourself.

Traveler · « **Reply #28 on:** July 19, 2007, 08:53:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Suave
If you have a gun for self defense you should practice point shooting because that's what you're going to end up doing anyway if you have to defend yourself.

US Army Special Forces teaches two rounds fired with both eyes open, point and shoot, center mass.

I’ve done it in war, it works.

But unless you live out in the sticks a cell phone, 911 and deadbolt on the door is best.

McFarland · « **Reply #29 on:** July 19, 2007, 04:38:19 PM »

Deadbolts can be picked, you know. It's called a "bumpkey".