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FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #135 on:** August 04, 2007, 11:18:15 PM »

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(and yes Delirium, I find Boroda's post's hillarious. I find it hard to believe he lives in THIS world)

And the next one will be comedy gold, I'm sure.

RAIDER14 · « **Reply #136 on:** August 04, 2007, 11:23:41 PM »

This is getting good

Elfie · « **Reply #137 on:** August 05, 2007, 03:11:30 AM »

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F-14s burning over Death Line in 1986.

Not so fast, video shows the second MiG-23 kill from the Tomcat's HUD. Kinda hard to argue with that.

http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos/Guest/95/

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My Uncle got 4 kills in Vietnam. S-75 targeting officer.

Anyone else ever notice that Boroda always seems to have a relative that was fighting the Capitalist Pigs no matter what conflict is being discussed?

Nilsen · « **Reply #138 on:** August 05, 2007, 03:23:23 AM »

I am pretty sure that Boroda is the biggest troll ever and that he enjoys every second of it

We have all heard of Russian Vodka Math, but this is so far off the scales that its pure entertainment. Mr Boroda has a future in the fishery industry for sure and his tales will liven up many a fishermans pub after a hard days work.

Nilsen · « **Reply #139 on:** August 05, 2007, 03:29:11 AM »

<---- Supporter of the Boroda Historical Society

Angus · « **Reply #140 on:** August 05, 2007, 08:26:24 AM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
I only provide You with information that You'll probably never get from your Ministry of Truth.

Soviet Union is alive - as long as I am alive. I was born in a country that doesn't exist any more, in a city that isn't there, so it goes....

Huh?

USSR Split up. You live in Russia.

croduh · « **Reply #141 on:** August 05, 2007, 09:24:30 AM »

You are what you are born as.

That would make me a Yugoslavian.Long live Tito!

McFarland · « **Reply #142 on:** August 05, 2007, 09:46:17 AM »

Well, in some people's minds, the USSR is still around. And as long as people are alive that beleive the commie lies that were shoved down their throats, it will be. I remember watching a special on the 6 days war, it told of how the IAF took out almost all the enemy air bases in the first hours, they had been training for years on how to do it. They flew under radar, came in at various angles, and destroyed runways, planes, and hangers, and then left the dust and smoke behind. The fact that Egypt had its radar didn't really matter. They flew under the radar levels.

Angus · « **Reply #143 on:** August 05, 2007, 12:53:25 PM »

Where there was truly an airwar of equals, with long lessons from WW2 was definately Korea though. If anything, both performance/maneuverability as well as strategical position would have favoured N-Korea supported by the USSR.
Still, in the airwar, the US taught them a hard lesson. (Actually the RAF was in the show etc).
The difference was perhaps....brains and tactics?
Anyway, USSR supported N-Korea who's regime can't feed their folks today, USA supported S-Korea, who are still flying high on an eco-broom, the line was drawn somewhere, but farther north than expected - from the north side. A part of that was airpower. WTG Boroda and pals.

Boroda · « **Reply #144 on:** August 05, 2007, 03:15:50 PM »

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Originally posted by WMLute
Did you even READ the report I posted? It was a turkey shoot. The Syrians were slaughtered.

What I find most hillarious is that you think the WHOLE WORLD is wrong, and you are right. Sad mostly, but quite hillarious.

I can post sources.
I can post MANY sources from multiple refrences.
I can post many sources from multiple refrences that are not affiliated with Israel or the United States.

I posted a link in Russian, with tactical setups and pilots names. Including Syrian pilots shot down by IAF.

Denying Israely F-15s shot down by obsolete Soviet fighters is silly.

Blue side pressure on so-called "free media" must be really hard. Red side doesn't boast, we just do our jobs. Looks like we are right helping people who don't want to be bombed into "democracy".

Boroda · « **Reply #145 on:** August 05, 2007, 03:26:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
Anyone else ever notice that Boroda always seems to have a relative that was fighting the Capitalist Pigs no matter what conflict is being discussed?

So it goes. It's a quite small country. I have 2 handshakes between me and JVS, 3 handshakes to Hitler.

Capitalist pigs - not my lexicon. Every country has it's interests that it protects. Uncle saved thousands of lives, got wounded and evacuated back into the Union. Hit by one of the first SHRIKE missiles. He said "it's not a missile particle, just a tree that was flying around".

My family story deserves a good book. Beginning in 1818, when my Great-Great-GrandFather brought a wife from France into his Cossack village. Unfortunately I don't know anything earlier...

WMLute · « **Reply #146 on:** August 05, 2007, 06:58:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
I posted a link in Russian, with tactical setups and pilots names. Including Syrian pilots shot down by IAF.

Denying Israely F-15s shot down by obsolete Soviet fighters is silly.

Blue side pressure on so-called "free media" must be really hard. Red side doesn't boast, we just do our jobs. Looks like we are right helping people who don't want to be bombed into "democracy".

I went to your link, and tried my best translating it.

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he USA knew how to attain the salient victory in “psychological war”, having successfully conducted the large-scale propagandistic campaign, directed, in the first place, against the Soviet Union. The data about the losses in the June war, published in Israel, where it was asserted (however, not officially, but with the references to [neproimenovannye] “well informed Israeli officials”) about the destruction in the air battles of 102 Syrian aircraft and about the loss only of one their machine, biased by fire from the earth), they bore the clearly expressed propagandistic nature. However, the sums of the war in Lebanon “world community” became known almost exclusively according to the communications of American and West European information agencies, completely repeated information Israeli sources. H[et] nothing is amazing that Israelis - the well-known masters of propagandistic and psychological war - putting it mildly, " underestimated” their losses and they overstated the loss, [nanesenyy] to the enemy: in end- ends, the war is war and each historian knows that communication “[Sovinformibyuro]” or American armed forces communiques about combat with Japan - the unsuitable source for studying the motion of war 1941-45 yr. however the USA used their most powerful in the world propagandistic machine for the discredit of the USSR before his allies, and also advances for the world market for their [avitsionnoy] technology, in particular, the destroyers F -16, by which was created the advertisement “of the killers of MiGs”. In similar conditions the Israeli victorious reports, skillfully beaten in the USA, proved to be outstanding gift to American aircraft construction firms, and “that which is good for General Dynamics, it is good for America!” However, it must be noted, that the serious western specialists subjected Israeli data to doubts; thus, [dr].[Dzh].[Chorba], the President of the Washington center of international safety, after visiting Israel on the commission of American government immediately after the end of war shooting, stated that they refused to grant to it any expanded information about specific application in the war shooting of the new systems of American arms. The attempts of the Soviet regime through the agency of TASS to refute the Israeli version of combat in Lebanon and “to save face” of the domestic aircraft industry proved to be late and unskillful: the statement of TASS dated August 15,1982. on that which in the course of the war shooting above the valley Of [bekaa] by the Syrian armed forces was destroyed about 70 Israeli aircraft, including of the machine of the newest types, it remained practically unnoticed neither abroad nor in the USSR, where the commentator- internationalists continued usually to use western

I read your article.

It made outragous claims that it could not substansiate, and blamed the Western Propeganda Machine for it.

Much like everything you post, it was a fairy tale.

Your article, and it's claims, was covered in my RAND link that I posted.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #147 on:** August 06, 2007, 02:31:06 AM »

Boroda it would be easyer to believe your claims if you'd post a trophy picture of one of the Israeli F-15 the Syrians shot down. I'm sure the pictures would be posted all over Syria/Russia the next day it happened.

AquaShrimp · « **Reply #148 on:** August 06, 2007, 03:05:25 AM »

You better believe that if any F-15s were shot down that the pieces of it would be in a museum. The North Vietnamese displayed lots of wreckage of U.S. planes merely for the publicity.

Nilsen · « **Reply #149 on:** August 06, 2007, 03:23:02 AM »

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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
You better believe that if any F-15s were shot down that the pieces of it would be in a museum. The North Vietnamese displayed lots of wreckage of U.S. planes merely for the publicity.

Dont think any F15s flew in vietnam