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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't like movies with black actors as a lead.  I pretty much avoid them if I can but...

lazs

So you want them in the background, like in Gone with the Wind?

[lazs2]

It would seem that if you have a movie like gone with the wind it would have to have the black actors in the background.. that has nothing to do with it.

I said that I don't like most black actors.. they can't really carry the lead.   denzel can... he seems plausable when interacting with white people.

For the most part.. the black actors are more interested in being black than in being the part they play.   They seem to feel obligated to be superior to the whites in the movie... Denzel fits in.  He seems like someone you actually would want to be around.

The ones who talk ghetto and act superior or whiney... well... I don't want to watch em any more than I want to be around em.

lazs

[RightF00T]

Lazs why the hell do you always bring race into everything?

[Viking]

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[Airscrew]

Originally posted by RightF00T
Lazs why the hell do you always bring race into everything?

why not?  are we just supposed to ignore it?  stuff it in a closet?  I wouldnt go so far as to say everything,  I dont remember seeing race brought up in any of those "OMG we're all gonna die" Global Warming threads.   Besides if a Liberal can play with the race cards why cant laz?

[moot]

You have to admit the black-centric ticks in the USA are beyond stupid at this point.  They're worth mentionning, if not because of how stupid it is to perpetuate them, then because they're one of the foremost barriers to civility between blacks and others.
I've gotten **** from blacks more than 90% of the time when they were african americans, rather than from anywhere else such as Africa.  The ad nauseum post-slavery stigma is like brain cancer...  They need to move on already.

[RightF00T]

My point is...why did a discussion about favorite films of an actor within 10 posts turn into "Black actors are this....he's not...he's the good one".  I'm not saying to be hush hush but that absolutley had no bearing on what films of his are good?  And I don't care liberal conservative or communist the race card is fluff'n annoying.  How about taking people for who they are and not what they're "supposed to be".


EDIT: Actually I knew this thread wouldnt get far before this happened.

[moot]

It's just a side comment.. by and large every single thread has a lot of it.  No big deal
I don't think it's untrue to say that most black actors do conform to what Lazs points out, and that it got old long ago.  Cinema's a great art, and yet so much of it is spoiled by this nonsense that black people would have nothing to lose from ditching.

On topic, I have nothing to add.  Washington's a great actor.

[RightF00T]

Well since we're talking about it.  Examples?

[AWMac]

Driving Miss Daisy, The Color Purple and Roots.



Mac

[moot]

I haven't followed movies in a long while (almost 3 years now), but I do remember thinking these things a long time ago already.  
A pertinent example would be one where there's no specific need for it and where it's overused.  You've never seen movies where a black actor is obviously there to keep the cast's albedo "balanced"?

I'm not saying black culture automaticaly makes for bad movies but that it's abused just as that woman did in FX1's real estate video.
Norbit is supposed to be what it is, but in some movies where people are supposed to act normal you will see black people do the "black thing" like that woman FX1 dealt with did, and almost everytime it makes for a huge false note.
It would probably be just another cultural quirk among every other, except it's not just any benign quirk.  It doesn't deserve a place in movies in spite of good acting anymore than falsehoods like the Evil Japanese cliche didn't deserve to take the place of truth in WWII news reports.

Personaly it's a borderline big deal.. I could easily just ignore it, but it's a damn shame and ought to disappear into history like slavery did.  I know I get a little irritated anytime I can't get along with some people only because of it.

[RightF00T]

Thats the thing moot...this "acting" you speak of isnt forced all of the time...as you see in the video some people really act like that.  To compare Denzel to that and then in the same breath say it shouldn't be there is to compare Harrison Ford to Larry the Cable Guy and say Larry the Cable Guy shouldnt be there(regardless of opinion) because he's not "good enough".  People don't just come up with these characters out of nowhere.  Believe it or not, I've met people that act just like Larry the Cable Guy and I've met people that act just like the people in FX1's videos.  

My beef is that every single post(that I've seen) about something other than the standard Lazs always quips up with his generalizations....yet I guess I forgot who we're talking about atleast I'll give it to you lazs you're consistent.

[indy007]

Originally posted by Viking
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Let me tell you about the time I almost died...

man I dig that movie.

[moot]

Larry the cable guy's quirks are personality traits, not echos from an event decades past.  It isn't voluntary when some actors show a little of it, but it is a voluntary choice when people let it into their personalities in the first place.  And in the case of FX1's anecdote, it was completely voluntary.. I'm not sure if you mean that it wasn't, but the only way it might seem involuntary or that this 'sub-culture' was forced onto the person is when you've lived with it long enough to think it's normal.  It isn't any more normal than slavery itself would seem if you got sent back in time overnight.

Like I said, I think it's borderline out of place to mention it here, but nonetheless it is present in (three years ago when I was last in the medium anyway ) the majority of movies and many things african american.  Cue Cosby.

[RightF00T]

I doint see what youre saying moot.