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« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2007, 12:21:11 PM »
clearly and with the F22 in production it would be pointless but prior to the arrival of the F22 it would have been an inexpensive alternative as an interim fighter.  I believe the US gov't owns one currently.

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« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2007, 12:28:11 PM »
The SU-37 is a great design, my disbelief was not at that, but that you could suggest with a straight face that the US government would purchase a foreign design when it could build a native one at 10x the price.

The cold war isn't over, not by long.  It's just switched frequencies, but national pride and technological prestige are still very active currencies that can be spent politically.  

Our battling space programs were only half "We've got big missiles" posturing, they were also advertisements for a way of life.  "Our rockets are big, proof that communism is The Answer."  "Our men have landed on the moon, proof that US capitalism is The Answer."  

It was the most expensive marketing campaign undertaken, and in the end, we seem to have come out on top.

But it's not over yet.  

We're not going to buy a russian fighter (even if it's great) if Russia can turn say "Our version of capitalism is great.  Look, even the US military uses it!"

This, plus the fact that very few of the russian aerospace companies operate in US congressional districts, and an arrangement like this, even licensed, just won't "fly".
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« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2007, 12:33:38 PM »
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I thought soviet engines could practically run on seawater :huh

Maybe the JP(#) was too refined for them and must be properly mixed with raw crude oil to bring it to the proper state for burning in russian engines.  Kinda like a two cycle ;)


The problem was that in Arctic conditions US fuel became too dense, we have several different fuel types from "summer" to "winter".

AL-31 family are one of the most advanced turbojet engines ever made. Mono-crystal turbine blades - I don't know if any other company makes anything like that, but feel free to inform me ;) It took us over 30 years to catch up with the West...

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« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2007, 12:36:15 PM »
the martin B-57 was a license built english electric canbarra.  The Av8 harrier is also an english design built under license.  there is precedent  but I guess you are correct in your assessment, what was I thinking!!!

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« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2007, 12:40:44 PM »
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We're not going to buy a russian fighter (even if it's great) if Russia can turn say "Our version of capitalism is great.  Look, even the US military uses it!"


No sane government will ever buy anything like a combat system from it's potential enemy. Remember French SAMs in Iraq in Gulf War? They were remotely disabled. Back in the 70s and 80s "civilian" research institutes bought state-of-the-art computers from the West (we had 3 Convex supercomputers here in ChemPhysics institute), while military were restricted to use home-made iron.

 Also keep in mind that export versions of Russian planes have "downgraded" avionics and fire-control systems.

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« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2007, 12:53:25 PM »
To be fair, Boroda, he was suggesting licensing the airframe design, not buying them as 'Ready To Fly'.  Built in the US with US avionics installed, Russia remotely disabling them isn't really a terribly likely threat.
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« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2007, 12:59:30 PM »
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To be fair, Boroda, he was suggesting licensing the airframe design, not buying them as 'Ready To Fly'.  Built in the US with US avionics installed, Russia remotely disabling them isn't really a terribly likely threat.


I think that with our local version of ZOG (LOL :D) it's quite possible. They have sold license to China, so - expect to see fake Chinese Su-27s in the market :D

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« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2007, 01:37:11 PM »
The chinese version of the Soyuz has pretty fancy modern avionics, with LCD panels, powerful computers, and enhancements to the flight module.

Maybe their 'cheap copy' of the SU-27 will have unexpected enhancements.

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« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2007, 02:27:38 PM »
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I'm sure if they did, it's not going to be a "talked" about thing.


I was assuming you meant  the Russians testing our defenses. IE flying close to our air space to see how long it takes us to react and so on.
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« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2007, 05:55:56 PM »
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I was assuming you meant  the Russians testing our defenses. IE flying close to our air space to see how long it takes us to react and so on.


As far as I know, in regards to US airspace that was done with bombers only.
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