Democrats VS Progressives?

[wrag]

Interesting view point here.......................

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/08/03/i-dont-dislike-democrats-i-oppose-the-progressive-left/

one i find myself leaning towards...................... .....

[AKIron]

Interesting. I found myself agreeing with him also. Well, except perhaps the part about not disliking all democrats.

[RedTop]

This is EXACTLY what we have now. And this is EXACTLY why we as a country are screwed

political debate – true, honest, sincere, genuine, open political debate – can only be achieved when the parties involved possess all of the aforementioned prerequisites; truth, integrity, sincerity, substance and frankness. When one party is disingenuous or has ulterior motives or has the best interests of special interests at heart, the product almost always produces something that is far from that which facilitates the well-being of our nation. Insincere political debate almost always comes at the detriment of the American people; it almost always indicates a desire to place the welfare of a political party or ideological faction above the process of good government for all Americans.

[GtoRA2]

Good read. I agree.

[wrag]

Originally posted by RedTop
This is EXACTLY what we have now. And this is EXACTLY why we as a country are screwed

political debate – true, honest, sincere, genuine, open political debate – can only be achieved when the parties involved possess all of the aforementioned prerequisites; truth, integrity, sincerity, substance and frankness. When one party is disingenuous or has ulterior motives or has the best interests of special interests at heart, the product almost always produces something that is far from that which facilitates the well-being of our nation. Insincere political debate almost always comes at the detriment of the American people; it almost always indicates a desire to place the welfare of a political party or ideological faction above the process of good government for all Americans.

YEP

AND

IMHO something like this is happening with the Illegal Immigrant situation.  They aren't telling us everything, or at least they aren't doing so in a manner most people can find.

I also find myself wondering about the Islam thing.

They SEEM like they want to promote Islam over other religions?

Could this be a means of creating a situation where all religion is avoided?

Keep seeing attempts at comparing and or grouping all other religions with Islam?

IMHO there is NO religion that does things the way Islam is doing things, or at least the fanatical part.  Perhaps in the past something LIKE the radical Islam thing went on but IMHO such is NO longer the case.

[x0847Marine]

"those of the Progressive-Left insist that the catalyst for said aggression is US interference in the Middle East and American support for Israel. They are at a loss to explain why Islamofascists are slaughtering Hindus, Buddhists and other Muslims in Africa, Indonesia, South America and elsewhere in the Middle East, American culture not prevalent in most of those locations."

Europeans must lean "progressive-left", when polled the majority agree American foreign policy is partly to blame for 9/11; 63% in France, 41% of Italians, 57% Brits, 52% of Germans, 59% Dutch, and 54% percent of Poles all observed such a connection. Link

People in the mid east grew tired of US meddling in their affairs a long time ago, probably around 1951 when someone in DC decided to use the CIA in Operation Ajax to oust the democratically elected leader of Iran... the Iranian parliament had the nerve to unanimously vote to nationalize the oil industry and shut out the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company.

Wouldn't be great if some foreign .gov 1/2 an Earth away, ignorant to our culture, decided the we needed new leadership and kicked out our elected officials? then manipulated our national resources for their interests? I'm sure everyone here would embrace and accept that, right? what could be so bad about living under the rule of another countries puppet master?.. sounds like a party. If you wouldn't find that acceptable, welcome to one of many foreign policy failures thats paved the road to our un-popularity.

And there's no loss to explain "Islamofascists" killing others; religious strife... the same reasons Iraqis are slaughtering each other, and kill US troops at the same time.. they dislike the former, and have invisible man issues with the latter.

[RedTop]

Originally posted by wrag

IMHO something like this is happening with the Illegal Immigrant situation.  They aren't telling us everything, or at least they aren't doing so in a manner most people can find.

We'll never know the full extent of what they are doing until it's done. Otherwise they all may be voted out and lose that precious power they hold so dear.

I also find myself wondering about the Islam thing.

Wonder what bud? Why we have to endure the political correctness of the left? Why we are all going to be praying how ever many times a day and washing our feet soon? Its cause we're not allowed to talk about "it" in a bad way...we need to be understanding to the plight of the islamist. We need to uderstand thier way and just forsake our own beliefs. Mainly because (IMHO) thier are to many wusses running around in power and are afraid of em.

They SEEM like they want to promote Islam over other religions?

Sure!!!  Makes it easier to shut the right side christians up. They don't like christianaity and are HELL bent to knock it down whatever way is possible. Our enemies are muslim....we must all be become muslim and bow down to the Islamists or die.

Could this be a means of creating a situation where all religion is avoided?

Nope...just that we have to kiss thier butts on what they thing WE NEED and what they want us to worship.

Keep seeing attempts at comparing and or grouping all other religions with Islam?

Yep...like what happened in 900ad means CRAP now....Let me see....Let me think....When was the last christian terrorist attack that killed 3000? Oh yeah.......few hundred years ago. Frikin Islamofacist Muslim fruitcakes? 9/11...Oh yeah

IMHO there is NO religion that does things the way Islam is doing things, or at least the fanatical part.  Perhaps in the past something LIKE the radical Islam thing went on but IMHO such is NO longer the case.

Doesn't matter to the left. Christians are bad....Muslims good. Going to church on Sundays , bad.....Muslims killing all they can , good. 10 commandments bad....Kuran good. Prayer for chrstians bad....prayer for muslims 4 , 5 , 6 times a day in school good.

Our government and alot of this country is so wussified it makes me sick.

[lazs2]

xmarine... if some government half a world away decided that we lacked individual freedom and came to throw out our government and put in one that had to follow our constitution...  

I would help them with all my might to win.

there is none tho... no matter what.. we are the most powerful and the least socialistic of all the civilized countries... which is sad but true.

As for the little speech of the guy in the article.. it is true but naive.

Naive in the fact that it matters not if there are "good" citizen democrats..  the reality is that they are bad for me and bad for freedom.

They vote for the progressive left politicians who in turn take away my rights as an American and as an individual... as such... I can only look at them as the enemy.  

It is like saying there are good commies...  No matter what their personal belief... they won't lift a finger to help you escape the laws that the people THEY voted in make.

They are the enemy.   Anyone who votes for a democrat or for socialism is the enemy.

lazs