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Offline Brentlo

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« on: August 01, 2007, 12:52:29 PM »
Just a quick question on eny aircraft displayed ranges.
800 changes to 600 then 400 etc.  For example the point where 600 changes to 400 is the range 599 or exactly 400.  I think its 599 but not for sure?  Can I get some clarification please.

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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2007, 01:29:24 PM »
0 - 99 = d0
100 - 299 = d200
300 - 499 = d400
500 - 699 = d600
700 - 899 = d800
900 - 999 = d1000

1000 - 1250 = d1.0K
1250 - 1750 = d1.5K
1750 - 2250 = d2.0K
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2007, 02:42:26 PM »
That clears it up thank you.

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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2007, 01:04:33 PM »
So according to that scale, if i have converg of say 400 will i still register hits if i fire when the icon says 400 and the bogey is 300 away. I would think that the 100 diff would effect the firing solution. Right Wrong, dumb question? Thanks.

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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2007, 02:48:31 PM »
Yes and no Bolo6.  Your convergence setting will have an affect on your bullets point of impact, yes.  Setting it to 400, and shooting at 300 will show your bullets hitting high.  How high?  Without looking at ballistic charts I would say that for MG rounds I would expect no more than 12 inches of deviation at that range, and I would really expect it to be much less.  My .270 only drops an additional 6 inches or so from 300-400 yards.  The difference in trajectory between 100 and 200 yards is even less- only about 2.5 inches.  The longer distances will show greater difference.

So it won't make you miss.  If you're missing, it's due to your aim- not the arch of the bullet- at least at the ranges we're discussing.

Cannon rounds will show a more pronounced difference.  And there will be some variation between different calibers of MG as well.

That said, you should set your convergence to hit at the distance you plan to kill your opponent.  For example, when trying for a kill I hold fire until I see D200.  Assuming I am closing on my victim I will see D200 at 299 yards, and allowing for a final aim, I will be slightly closer than that when I actually fire.  So I set my convergence for 275.  With the F4U's 6 .50's at that range and convergence, I slash through wings like I had a chainsaw.  Or a very slight sprinkle into the cockpit...

The target gets larger the closer you are to it, and the bullets have more retained energy.  Shooting at close range is best.  You miss less, and waste less ammo.  Stretching your convergence out doesn't make you deadlier at longer range, but it does neuter you for the close shots, where you are less likely to miss anyway.  Nose mounted guns are different, I would stretch those out more.

Hitting targets at ranges greater or less than your convergence sprinkles holes over the wings and fuselage, but it really takes a lot of random holes to do any real damage.  Best to have all your bullets slam into a small area.  A few 3-4 inch holes are more effective than a bunch of 1/2 inch (or less) holes scattered all over.  

Purposely staggering your convergence at different ranges (say 250, 275, and 300 yards for the 3 pairs of guns on the F4U) may make you better able to hit your target- but you've lowered the damage you'll inflict, requiring more firing time to get the same result.  On a thin target like a wing, you could be hitting with only one pair of guns, while your other guns shot slightly above or below the wing.  I'd rather adjust my aim and hit with all six together.

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BTW Lusche- thanks for posting that distance info, I'd been wondering about the exact #'s...
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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2007, 11:18:52 AM »
Mtnman, gotta kick out of your quote at the bottom of the page BTW.

I had been wondering about those range specifics for a few years now and finally got the nerve to ask.  Glad to see I wasn't the only one that benefited.  

Do you think in the near future you could name the date and time to slap me around with your Hog in the TA/DA?  My schedule is pretty open for the next 2 weeks.  I really respect your skills, and I need the experience.

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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2007, 12:39:37 PM »
Sure Brentlo!  I'd love to help you out.  

Naming a specific time and date is nearly impossible for me.  I work a rotating 12 hr shift, two weeks 5am-5pm, followed by two weeks 5pm-5am.  Add to that working 2 days "on" followed by 2 days "off" and working every-other weekend makes scheduling times just plain difficult.

I do end up in AH on almost every night that I don't work or work the next morning.

I never do coordinated things in the MA.  I just shoot red guys.  So look for me in the MA, and holler.  I'm ALWAYS willing go play in DA or TA.  I'll likely just want to finish the hop I'm on.

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I get a kick outta the quote too, hehe!
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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2007, 12:59:32 PM »
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Originally posted by Lusche
0 - 99 = d0
100 - 299 = d200
300 - 499 = d400
500 - 699 = d600
700 - 899 = d800
900 - 999 = d1000

1000 - 1250 = d1.0K
1250 - 1750 = d1.5K
1750 - 2250 = d2.0K


Where are you getting this info from lusche?

I thought it was like this:

0-199 = d0
200-399= d200
400-599 = d400
600-799= d600
800-999 = d800
1000-1199= d1000
1200-1499=d1k
1500-1999=d1.5k
2000-2499= d2k
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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2007, 01:07:02 PM »
You can check this easily with your film viewer. You get both the icons as well as the precise distance on the right side. Slow down the film and watch when the icon changes to the next range band - compare that with the actual range.
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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2007, 05:49:19 PM »
Lusche is right, I checked these distances a few months ago via the film viewer.
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