Bush Administration Loses 190,000 Weapons in Iraq

[lazs2]

Just because there is a record that they were given to a government doesn't mean you can find em 5 years later.

lazs

[Toad]

Originally posted by SkyRock
If they have been given to someone, then there should be a record, period.


Mark

If there's a record and it shows that 1,000 AK's, serial numbers listed, were given to an Iraqi Division and the Iraqi Division can't show them to you... then what?

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
This is most likely just accounting errors - which the Army does all the time. Even if it's not an error, it's then probably the Iraqis who lost them, not us.

The US Army is extremely careful about losing rifles & pistols. If soldiers on a training outing in the US lose a rifle, the entire unit has to go out into the field and search until they find it.

At a certain point you have to show trust in the Iraqi police and armed forces by letting them be accountable for their own inventory. Not sure if that "power" was transferred or not, but it appears to be a bigger screw up on the part of the Iraqi's and not so much on the US Army

Part of the training that our Military advisers afforded the Iraqi's should have been the proffesionalism to be accountable for all of their weapons' and other gear.

In that sense, our failing was from the ground up.

If that professionalism was instilled, then those weapons' would have to have been purposefully hidden or misplaced; That is a more serious matter, implicating treasonous' action on the part of the Iraqi army.

[crockett]

Originally posted by lazs2
Just because there is a record that they were given to a government doesn't mean you can find em 5 years later.

lazs

I guess if it was the Democrats that did it, you would have something to finally be upset about.

[crockett]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Part of the training that our Military advisers afforded the Iraqi's should have been the proffesionalism to be accountable for all of their weapons' and other gear.

In that sense, our failing was from the ground up.

If that professionalism was instilled, then those weapons' would have to have been purposefully hidden or misplaced; That is a more serious matter, implicating treasonous' action on the part of the Iraqi army.

I'm sure this likely has nothing to do with actual Iraqi soldiers and rather someone at the top of the food chain somewhere whom made a bunch of money.

My thoughts are either a contractor overbilled, meaning they claimed more rifles were given then actually were, or some Iraqi's in the right position made a loit of money on reselling the guns to someone else.

You don't just have 200k rifles go missing because soldiers misplaced them..

[lazs2]

If it turns out that there is something to get upset about then I will... I will certainly not get upset about your speculation or about a story by the liberal media.

I always looked at it as an interesting statistic about all the weapons that got lost in wartime...  any wartime... no matter which party was in power.

I believe your agenda is showing.

lazs

[Eagler]

Originally posted by crockett
I guess if it was the Democrats that did it .....

if the dems actually did anything productive, I would be in a state of shock

LOL LOL LOL

[bj229r]

AK47's in the hands of bad guys is the LEAST or the Army/Marines' worries--these guys are starting to get .50 cal sniper rifles from Austria (via Iran) now, and a few are quite good with them

Austrian sniper rifles that were exported to Iran have been discovered in the hands of Iraqi terrorists, The Daily Telegraph has learned.

More than 100 of the.50 calibre weapons, capable of penetrating body armour, have been discovered by American troops during raids.
    
A Steyr HS50 rifle, Austrian supplied rifles, arms trade, Iran equipping Iraq insurgents
 The guns were part of a shipment of 800 rifles that the Austrian company, Steyr-Mannlicher, exported legally to Iran last year.

The sale was condemned in Washington and London because officials were worried that the weapons would be used by insurgents against British and American troops.

Within 45 days of the first HS50 Steyr Mannlicher rifles arriving in Iran, an American officer in an armoured vehicle was shot dead by an Iraqi insurgent using the weapon.

Over the last six months American forces have found small caches of the £10,000 rifles but in the last 24 hours a raid in Baghdad brought the total to more than 100, US defence sources reported.
The find is the latest in a series of discoveries that indicate that Teheran is providing support to Iraq's Shia insurgents.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, yesterday denied that Iran had supplied weapons to Iraqi insurgents. But on Sunday US officials in Baghdad displayed a range of weapons they claimed had originated in Iran.

They said 170 American and British soldiers had been killed by such weapons..

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[Slash27]

Reason #307 to bomb Iran.

[crockett]

Originally posted by Eagler
if the dems actually did anything productive, I would be in a state of shock

LOL LOL LOL

You mean like giving more funding to the boarder patrol, giving funding to allow tougher security at our ports and for cargo planes. Like putting forward new rules to stop lobbyists from buying our govt and granting new funds to help get our nation off oil.

That's what the Democrats did just this month.. What have the Republicans done this month or the last 6 years, besides rape our country and get us in a war we will never win?

[AWMac]

Jeezzz can't the insurgents just throw rocks like the Palistinians?

What's this World coming to?



Mac

[AWMac]

Originally posted by crockett
You mean like giving more funding to the boarder patrol, giving funding to allow tougher security at our ports and for cargo planes. Like putting forward new rules to stop lobbyists from buying our govt and granting new funds to help get our nation off oil.

That's what the Democrats did just this month.. What have the Republicans done this month or the last 6 years, besides rape our country and get us in a war we will never win?

Show me where the Dems did any of this....

Mac

[bj229r]

Originally posted by crockett
You mean like giving more funding to the boarder patrol, giving funding to allow tougher security at our ports and for cargo planes. Like putting forward new rules to stop lobbyists from buying our govt and granting new funds to help get our nation off oil.

That's what the Democrats did just this month.. What have the Republicans done this month or the last 6 years, besides rape our country and get us in a war we will never win?

The big blow-up the other day in the House was over the attempt by the Dems to make tax dollars available to illegals which were to be directed to an agricultural bill....They didn't talk THAT one up too muchlink

[crockett]

Originally posted by AWMac
Show me where the Dems did any of this....

Mac

I've already posted each of these on this forum, with links.. use the search.. or look it up on google yourself, it's not that hard.

[crockett]

Originally posted by bj229r
The big blow-up the other day in the House was over the attempt by the Dems to make tax dollars available to illegals which were to be directed to an agricultural bill....They didn't talk THAT one up too muchlink

Well I didn't hear about it because I haven't watched much news this week.. However from what that article you provided says, it was more an argument over the vote count.

Details remain fuzzy, but numerous Republicans argued afterward that they had secured a 215-213 win on their motion to bar undocumented immigrants from receiving any federal funds apportioned in the agricultural spending bill for employment or rental assistance. Democrats, however, argued the measure was deadlocked at 214-214 and failed, members and aides on both sides of the aisle said afterward.

Then farther down is says, that Republicans wouldn't accept a recount and walked out.. LOL ok what ever floats your boat.. blame the Democrats.

You act as it's just Democrats that are "easy" on illegal immigration, yet the Republicans did nothing to fund or strengthen our board security. In fact Bush even went as far as to cut funding to our boarder security. Meanwhile the Democrats just funded an extra 3 billion specifically for security on our southern boarder.

So you can complain all you want about it, but your precious Republicans don't do anything about it either unless it's talk tough for an election. So no the Dem's might not be perfect on illegal imagration, but at least they plan to protect our boarders, unlike your tough on terror poster boy George Bush.