Immigration - by the numbers

[lazs2]

It is not a huge and difficult problem as some of the people here would have you believe.

Simply arrest and put in prison for a mandatory year... every single employer who can be proven to have hired illegals knowingly.  that includes the so called "contractors" who pick em up at home depot.   a contractor would lose his license...  business licenses would be lost for a business

Put a few dozen or more in prison and no one will hire illegals..  

The "problem" would go away overnite and no one would be hurt who didn't deserve it.   No mexicans would bother to cross for jobs because there would be no jobs... the 10% or so left that were crossing would be hard core smugglers and less work load on our border patrol.. easier to control.

Some other things that could change would be... no state or federal documents in anything but english.

No anchor babies..  if one of the parents isn't a citizen... neither is the spawn.

Work visas... only the worker can come over.. not non working family members.

nothing to it really... simple and doable but...

lazs

[VWE]

I bought a bird feeder. I hung it on my back porch and filled it with  seed.
Within a week we had hundreds of birds taking advantage of the continuous
flow of free and easily accessible food.

But then the birds started building nests in the boards of the patio,
above  the table, and next to the barbecue.

Then came the poop. It was everywhere: on the patio tile, the chairs,
    the  table...everywhere.

Then some of the birds turned mean:

They would dive bomb me and try to peck me even though I had fed them out
of  my own pocket.

And others birds were boisterous and loud:

They sat on the feeder and squawked and screamed at all hours of the day
and  night and demanded that I fill it when it got low on food.

After a while, I couldn't even sit on my own back porch anymore.

I took down the bird feeder and in three days the birds were gone.

I cleaned up their mess and took down the many nests they had built all
over  the patio.

Soon, the back yard was like it used to be...... quiet, serene and no one
demanding their rights to a free meal.

Now lets see....... our government gives out free food, subsidized  housing,
free medical care, free education and allows anyone born here to be
an automatic citizen.

Then the illegals came by the tens of thousands.

Suddenly our taxes went up to pay for free services; small apartments are
housing 5 families: you have to wait 6 hours to be seen by an emergency  room
doctor: your child's 2nd grade class is behind other schools because over
half the class doesn't speak English: Corn Flakes now come in a bilingual
box; I have to press "one" to hear my bank talk to me in English, and  people
waving flags other than "Old Glory" are squawking and screaming in the
streets, demanding more rights and free liberties.

Maybe it's time for the government to take down the bird feeder.

[lazs2]

vwe.. that is the way it works but.. it is difficult to wean Americans off welfare and it is difficult to not share the welfare with anyone who shows up at the party once you have it.

How can you say that the only humane thing is to "save the children" when you allow the children on the same street to not get the goodies because of some paperwork?  

Nope.. so long as we have our own worthless sucking at the tit.. pretty hard to turn down someone elses babies.

The only way is to stop the flood.. the only way to do that is to stop the employment.

It will be easy to deport the rest who simply come for a handout or to deal in drugs or whatever.

lazs

[Shuffler]

Stop employment..... medical, food, anchor babies.....

[68Wooley]

Originally posted by lazs2


No anchor babies..  if one of the parents isn't a citizen... neither is the spawn.

Work visas... only the worker can come over.. not non working family members.

lazs

Couple of problems there:

1. Anchor Babies: if every country enacted a law that said both parents had to be citizens before a child became a citizen, there would be an awful lot of nation-less babies. I agree with you in cases where both parents are non-citizens (even though I could potentially benefit from having an anchor baby myself  )

2. Work visas and family: if you had said to me I could come to the US and work, but my wife couldn't come with me, I wouldn't be here. If I wasn't here, 20 or so US citizens would not have well paid jobs. Its enormously difficult to get a work visa for the US as it is and in most cases, whilst they will allow spouse and children to accompany you, they are not entitled to work and are not entitled to benefits.

[Speed55]

Originally posted by USRanger
Almost makes ya sick.

Almost makes me want to get a box truck, pick up as many as it will hold, just tell them i'm building a house, and then drop them off on the lawn of the people that think that there isn't a problem.

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by 68Wooley
Couple of problems there:

1. Anchor Babies: if every country enacted a law that said both parents had to be citizens before a child became a citizen, there would be an awful lot of nation-less babies. I agree with you in cases where both parents are non-citizens (even though I could potentially benefit from having an anchor baby myself  )

2. Work visas and family: if you had said to me I could come to the US and work, but my wife couldn't come with me, I wouldn't be here. If I wasn't here, 20 or so US citizens would not have well paid jobs. Its enormously difficult to get a work visa for the US as it is and in most cases, whilst they will allow spouse and children to accompany you, they are not entitled to work and are not entitled to benefits.

(1.) They would not be "Nation-less". They would be nationals of their country of origin, I.E., Two mexican nationals have a child here, that child is/should be a Mex. national, period.

(2.) Tough. Find a job at home. Sounds' calous? Then apply for legal citizenship, If you want your whole family. Only the worker on the visa would be paying taxes for Social services' on the Visa plan. We have no obligation whatsoever to pay for health care or education for citizens' of another country.

[68Wooley]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3

Dude - read both Lazs' post and my own again. All you've done is show that you didn't read either properly and that you have no idea how the immigration process in this country works.

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
(1.) They would not be "Nation-less". They would be nationals of their country of origin, I.E., Two mexican nationals have a child here, that child is/should be a Mex. national, period.

Lazs suggested if one parent was not a citizen, the baby should be denied citizenship. That's what I said would cause a problem. I agreed that it makes no sense to grant a child citizenship if neither parent is a citizen (even though I personally could stand to gain by having such a child).

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Tough. Find a job at home. Sounds' calous? Then apply for legal citizenship, If you want your whole family. Only the worker on the visa would be paying taxes for Social services' on the Visa plan. We have no obligation whatsoever to pay for health care or education for citizens' of another country..

Firstly - I already said that accompanying spouses and children are not entitled to any benefits. Before a visa is issued, the visa holder has to provide  pretty convincing proof of his ability to support his / her family. Right now, I pay Uncle Sam very handsomely in taxes for nothing much in return other than the continued right to be here.

Secondly - no accompanying family = no foreign investment in this country. Do you think anyone would agree to move to America to set up a factory, open an office, expand a company etc etc if they couldn't bring their family? That's a lot of jobs that aren't coming to America.

Thirdly - I could apply for citizenship. But only after firstly applying for permanent residence (a process that takes between 12 and 36 months), waiting the requisite five years and then applying for citizenship (another 12 - 36 months). At that point, I could apply to bring my wife and children over, but after 10 or so years, they might have forgotten who I am.

[john9001]

Wooley, you could always move to Canada, i hear that's a great place to live eh.

[crockett]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
Notice how the liberal nutjobs are nowhere to be found in this thread.

It's amazing to me that they are not only willing, but eager to end this country as it has existed since it's inception.

Only a massive world war or a revolution here in this country can save us now.
Short of this, only massive overpopulation is Earth's future until the breaking point is reached and people/cultures begins to die off from lack of food.  

  I see only these three possibilities await us.

lol since we are calling people names here...

What have you right wing nut-jobs done in the last 6 years while you had control of the presidency, the house and the senate?

You guys are always the same.. It's always Democrats fault or liberals. When are you ever going to share in any blame?

Common Steve Baily tell me why your precious Right wingers didn't jump to action when they had control to do pretty much anything they damn well choose to do? I thought Bush was the Decider? I guess he's undecided on this one eh?

As I've posted before you right wingers are all talk and never  any action. It took the Democrats to get the funding to start securing our boarders and even then your big bad Republicans were fighting them every step of the way.

Besides that this is about "legal" immigration not illegal.

So put your money where your mouth is Baily.. Show me something your Republicans right wingers have "actually done" not blabbed about in regards to illegal or even legal immigration..

Show me something, besides some half bellybutton atempt at a wall built by a bunch of farmers.

[bj229r]

Apparently Crokett is the only one who hasn't figured out Bush isn't a 'right-winger', and the vast majority of the Senate Republicans are of a similar mindset

[john9001]

the right won't close the border because they want cheap labor and the left won't close the border because they want the hispanic vote.

the border will be open until the citizens close it or a general or group of generals have had enough of politics and seize control of the govt and declare a military dictatorship.

[crockett]

Originally posted by bj229r
Apparently Crokett is the only one who hasn't figured out Bush isn't a 'right-winger', and the vast majority of the Senate Republicans are of a similar mindset

Oh so it's so bad now, you guys won't even claim him..  

[john9001]

Originally posted by crockett
Oh so it's so bad now, you guys won't even claim him..  

from the Gallup poll.
"Republicans continue to be much more likely than independents or Democrats to support the president. Seventy-three percent of Republicans approve of Bush, substantially higher than the 27% approval among independents and the 9% approval among Democrats."

it's so easy to check the facts, i'm surprised more people don't do it before posting.

[Hap]

Originally posted by john9001
Seventy-three percent of Republicans approve of Bush

Well that should be good news then.